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Bill USA

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17. "The assessment of both state officials and of Ford motor company was that is was successful"
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:32 PM
Apr 2015

adapting engines to be methanol compatible is not 'rocket science'. Flex Fuel engines can handle an ethanol/methanol blend of 50% (any more than that would have to be determined).

California's Methanol Fuel Experience


"The program has demonstrated the feasibility of methanol as a transportation fuel in a variety of applications." Ward and Teague 1996


The State of California has had an experimental methanol program that ran for 15 years in the 1980s and 1990s. From all we have learned thus far, it makes you think California is a separate country (map above is from Peter Ward 2012). The assessment of both state officials and of Ford motor company was that is was successful.

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There are over 11 million E85 Flex Fueled Vehicles on the road, and many experts, as noted before, like Lotus Vehicle engineering and Saab Motors have stated that these FFV can easily and safely take up to 50% methanol with no changes. How much more can they take -- this needs to be ascertained for the benefit of the country.




Aha! shenmue Apr 2015 #1
that is another huge plus to ramping up methanol production. Methanol can be made more cheaply than Bill USA Apr 2015 #3
More fracking Politicalboi Apr 2015 #2
who said methanol would drive fracking? A separate issue which will live or die on its own. You Bill USA Apr 2015 #5
Better than gasoline but still nowhere near as good as Battery Electric Vehicles. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #4
what's the source of power for the electricity you are charging up with - coal? How long do you Bill USA Apr 2015 #6
It varies with your electric utility provider. Some are mostly hydro, others mostly coal. BUT: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #7
I would appreciate identification of the vehicle with computations. Also, are all hybrids being Bill USA Apr 2015 #8
I appreciate your attention to details. It can get pretty complicated. I drive an "EREV" NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #11
wish you could have quantified "crazy good" fuel economy as they did in study I mentioned in cmnt 9 Bill USA Apr 2015 #14
Two important points I don't think you addressed in contrasting Methanol with EVs and PHEVs: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #15
Regenerative braking is a technology not limited to hybrids. Mazda uses RB and a capacitor to power Bill USA Apr 2015 #18
okay, I checked the Prius plug in and it get's great mileage see link - for $30,000.... Bill USA Apr 2015 #9
My work is 100% about energy. I can't say much more than that, but it's my job to know about energy NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #10
Any fuel source derived from biomass on an industrial scale is a non-starter, for one simple fact NickB79 Apr 2015 #12
DoE study, Fuel frm Forestry & Agricultural waste could produce biofuel to meet 1/3rd our fuel needs Bill USA Apr 2015 #16
I used to live within walking distance of an ARCO station that sold methanol. hunter Apr 2015 #13
"The assessment of both state officials and of Ford motor company was that is was successful" Bill USA Apr 2015 #17
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