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Peace Patriot

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76. With transglobal corporate monsters ruling all, Zeno's paradox certainly applies to you and me...
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jan 2013

...and most Americans and most people in the world (except those with leftist governments such as Venezuela, Brazil, Bolivia, Ecuador, Uruguay and others in Latin America).

As we try to cross the room, from our births to our deaths, working more and more for less and less pay (if we can find work at all), seeking educations that cost more and more and MORE and that throw us into lifelong debt, paying into Social Security all the while to find our benefits, at retirement, way, WAY behind inflation, with yet more cuts intended by vicious politicians who don't represent us (were (s)elected by ES&S/Diebold and their 'TRADE SECRET' code), who find our Social Security checks dunned for Medicare but not for all of Medicare, leaving us to come up with 20% of hugely inflated medical costs while getting even LESS of our Social Security pension, should we get ill or disabled by old age, finding the cost of running the vehicles to which we have been deliberately addicted rise higher and higher and HIGHER for no reason at all ($4 frigging dollars per gallon! Jeez!), finding the costs of all energy and other essential life commodities getting beyond our reach, unable to put food on the table, unable to buy our kids Christmas presents let alone diapers, clothes, proper nutrition, books, sports uniforms, musical instruments, educational trips and all the tacked on costs of public education (if their schools even have sports any more, or orchestras, or teachers), some of us unable to even put a roof over their heads...

...and on and on, while the rich beat us along our way and take large chunks out of our flesh, as we try to cross the room (live our lives), with dreams of "putting a little away" for our kids, or "putting a little away" for that trip to Hawaii that we've put off for decades, while we worked more and more for less and less pay (if we can find work at all) gone up in smoke. No dreams any more--not even modest little dreams, like paying off the mortgage before we die and our kids inheriting the house free and clear. All gone.

We reach the middle of the room and find that we have gotten nowhere. We try to make the next couple of steps and find ourselves being pushed backwards. Zeno comes into play--logic's biggest joke come true, in real life, in 21st Century America and other places run by transglobal corporate monsters and the 1%. Most people will die, become sick or disabled, or "get kicked off the island" before they even get a chance to approach the middle point of the second half of the paradox, because, to the transglobal corporate monsters who rule over us, and the 1% who support them--getting richer and richer, while the rest of us get poorer and poorer--we are not really people; we are lines on a graph, where our modest gains go down and down, and their ungodly wealth goes up and up.

It is no surprise at all that these same forces have lied to us, time and again, about "saving energy" or "saving money" (har-har) and it is no surprise that, whatever we do, energy and other life essentials, and everything that energy produces, will cost more and more, as our incomes decline. That is the "Zeno's Paradox" of this horrible system of Corporate Rule--a philosopher's joke made manifest.

Whether Zeno's Paradox applies to "energy efficiency" in this system is pretty obvious to me. It does. But not in the way discussed (and argued about) above. It is applicable in this way: The profits of the few go up as the viability of Planet Earth goes down. These two things are tied to each other, inversely. And any effort to get past the half way point, and to start putting the decline of Planet Earth in reverse, is impossible until we STOP the profits of the few from GOING UP as the result of their extremely destructive behavior--whether it is deforestation or frakking or oil spills or oil wars, or their imperiling the food system with GMOs and pesticides, or their vast plastics pollution, or their growing of tasteless, messed-with strawberries in Chile and flying them to Los Angeles, or their avoidance of environmental laws by manufacturing in China, or their de-funding of the EPA, or their assault on every resource agency in the country and in other countries where they can get at them, or their slave labor palm oil farms and (you heard it here first) GMO marijuana farms in Colombia, or any of their other goddamn schemes to subvert democracy and workers' rights and destroy the very planet we live on, for more and more and MORE profits for the few.

We can't really tinker with this--by introducing better light bulbs or better cars--and testing out this or that economic paradox. And we CANNOT solve it as individuals, nor as isolated communities, because WE DON'T HAVE TIME. Even if we were to convert the entire USA to less individual consumption and to growing vegetable gardens instead of lawns, these powers go elsewhere--they are already there--to Asia, to Africa, to the parts of Latin America that they've been able to hold onto, not to mention the Middle East, forcing and bribing and encouraging them down the same utterly unsustainable path that we have trod. We really have to grab these Destroyers by the throat, and start deconstructing their corporations--pulling their corporate charters, dismantling them and seizing their assets for the common good.

How do we do that? First of all, we must understand that it is doable and that it is our right, as a sovereign people. Second, GET RID OF THE CORPORATE-CONTROLLED 'TRADE SECRET' VOTING MACHINES. You want to see a miracle happen to our dying democracy? That's where to start. Thirdly, we need a much bigger "Occupy" coalition, involving all the hurting people in the country--the poorly paid, the out of work, the hurting old, the hurting young, middle classers sinking into poverty, worthy professionals who hate injustice and can't do their jobs in the ethical way they would like to (doctors, nurses, teachers, fire fighters, first responders, police, social workers, et al) or whose unions are getting busted, and so on. The coalition might even include some Republicans who believe that votes should be counted in the PUBLIC venue and Corporate Rule has destroyed "main street" businesses.

This takes time we don't have too--a political coalition to END Corporate Rule--but I think it would be easier than weening Americans from over-consumption. For one thing, if your piece of crap appliance, manufactured in China, falls apart in a year, or doesn't work at all, you pretty much have to buy another. With stinking corporate policies like "planned obsolescence" and utter lack of accountability, and with millions and millions of people dependent on an urban or suburban lifestyle (can't grow their own foods or don't know how to; have long commutes, etc.), you can't just overturn these dependences overnight. A political coalition of the majority--all the hurting people in the country--while also difficult, could occur a lot faster--and could do what I've proposed here--END Corporate Rule--provided that its targets are very pointed and focused--for instance, on the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines (for starters). Another powerful action could a boycott of all products made out of the country, or out of specific countries with obnoxious labor and/or environmental policies. However, I think political power is more important, in the near future, for saving Planet Earth--the power to start pulling corporate charters--and that requires vote counting in the PUBLIC VENUE.

Why do you think Congress has the approval rating of a dead skunk? Because a great many of them WERE NOT ELECTED. They have NO right to the power they wield. We've got to change that first--and the first step toward changing that is restoring a PUBLIC vote count. We could start ending Corporate Rule and saving Planet Earth in the next congressional elections, if we had a PUBLIC vote count.

We don't have one now. Why is that? How is it that ONE, PRIVATE, FAR-RIGHTWING CONNECTED CORPORATION--ES&S, which bought out Diebold--now controls 75% of the voting machines in the USA, using 'TRADE SECRET' code--code that the public is forbidden to review--and with half the states in the country doing NO AUDIT AT ALL of these machines?

How is that? Why is that? Think about it. And don' worry so much about Zeno and lightbulbs. Our problem--and the peril to Planet Earth--goes way beyond what products are best or what effect they might have.

Just to say: I don't discount the potential power of ideas to spread among the collective populace--ideas such as walking, bicycling or taking mass transit (if you have it), or growing your own food or buying from local farmers (if that's possible), or using less paper, plastic and energy. And I greatly admire and approve of those who are implementing these and other such ideas, and who are helping to make them popular. But I think that such movements are chancier, and more difficult for most people to implement, than restoring our rightful political power, which would appeal to most sectors of society immediately. I mean, who wants Exxon Mobil and Chevron fixing gas prices? Who wants their appliances made in China? Who wants their town destroyed and their jobs outsourced? Who wants usurious credit card rates? Who wants trillions of our tax dollars going to transglobal banksters and the transglobal Pentagon for its resource wars? Who wants their votes 'counted' with 'TRADE SECRET' code? (or who would want it if they knew about it?)

The answer to all of these questions is: Almost nobody! And the same parties who are inflicting us with these and other ills are the ones destroying Planet Earth. We have common cause among all of the people inflicted with these ills, whether they are aware of, or care about, the peril to Planet Earth, or not. That is why I think that regaining our rightful political power, as a People, is a quicker route to saving the Planet than trying to change consumer habits, dickering with consumer products or trying to make "the Market" (controlled by the transglobal corporations) 'respond' to the Planet's dire peril--or trying to transform entire cities and suburbs, containing billions of people, into "green zones." It can't happen soon and even if it did, what of these transglobal corporations' transglobal activities? We need People Power--we need a strong, vibrant democracy--to curtail their power, starting here, where most of them are chartered by U.S. states and where congress could seriously curtail them as well, if only we had a congress that represents us.

Jevons: a 19th Century Zeno [View all] OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 OP
Jevons was making an observation about human psychology, not math or physics phantom power Jan 2013 #1
Actually, Jevons said nothing of the sort. OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #3
What is your interpretation of this: phantom power Jan 2013 #7
Wait a second… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #8
I don't think there's any implied statement about price of resources going down... phantom power Jan 2013 #12
Re: price of resources going down OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #14
I think there are two kinds of answer to that... phantom power Jan 2013 #20
This is pseduo-science nuttiness NoOneMan Jan 2013 #2
I agree OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #4
Is the fiscal multiplier nutty? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #6
The fiscal multiplier is real, but overstated in this case OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #9
Overstated? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #10
Jevons misstated reality OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #13
Start a thread about it then NoOneMan Jan 2013 #15
I did start a thread OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #19
One that is about discrete math, economic multipliers and now innovation NoOneMan Jan 2013 #21
As I said OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #24
There is no extra money in Planck's wallet. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #5
Planck length only addresses matter, not distance wtmusic Jan 2013 #79
The additional money comes from resource extraction and manufacturing GliderGuider Jan 2013 #11
Is that resource exraction the result of more efficiency? OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #17
Money made available as a result of efficiency doesn't need to be created by fiat. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #26
The $100 worth of energy I “saved” would have come from resource extraction OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #43
No, actually I'm now saying this: GliderGuider Jan 2013 #57
Indeed, Jevons was wrong OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #61
Conversely though... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #65
I will agree that improving efficiency does not correlate well with a society using less energy OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #67
I think there is something you might be missing NoOneMan Jan 2013 #68
You merely have a hunch OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #72
The evidence is what Jevons pointed to muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #97
Jevon's Paradox was thought of in a much less complex economy in my opinion NoOneMan Jan 2013 #63
Yes - fewer energy sources, fewer manufactured goods, greater transportation costs, GliderGuider Jan 2013 #69
Sure, thereby creating the perfect Red Herring NoOneMan Jan 2013 #70
The additional money comes from improved efficiency Nederland Jan 2013 #16
You’ll have to simply that for me. OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #18
Its not just about YOU NoOneMan Jan 2013 #22
“A better example would be people simply switching to a lower wattage traditional bulb…” OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #25
The immediate result would be less consumption of coal based energy NoOneMan Jan 2013 #28
What-the-what!? OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #34
Have you heard of the concept called "time"? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #38
Can you document this occurring OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #39
Household appliances are a decent example NoOneMan Jan 2013 #44
No appliances aren’t a good example of Jevons’ Paradox OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #46
Those studies were done in the early 80s regarding efficiency standards implemented in late 70s NoOneMan Jan 2013 #51
I'm looking for documentation OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #52
"Economic Implications of Mandated Efficiency Standards for Household Appliances." NoOneMan Jan 2013 #55
Anything written in this century? OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #58
Straw man. What you describe is not Jevon's paradox. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #23
Why do more efficient cars mean more people will buy them? OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #27
It means lower initial demand for gas, making more people able to buy gas NoOneMan Jan 2013 #29
Except, it doesn’t work that way OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #32
It does work that way NoOneMan Jan 2013 #35
(see above) OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #37
Your question is faulty NoOneMan Jan 2013 #40
Can you document this? (i.e. that more efficient cars lead to more consumption.) OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #41
Can you document that cheaper oil doesn't result in more people using oil? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #45
How about this? OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #47
The relationship between its price and its use is undeniable NoOneMan Jan 2013 #49
Wait a second… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #56
Get back to Jevon's? I thought this thread was about discrete math NoOneMan Jan 2013 #60
Once again, back to Jevons please OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #64
You can't demand we talk about Jevon's without substantiating your premises NoOneMan Jan 2013 #66
That's isn't what I asked NoOneMan Jan 2013 #53
Back to Jevons again OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #59
As I just replied... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #62
The specific Jevons-style rebound is probably less significant than general growth GliderGuider Jan 2013 #30
In any case, it isn't a strict "rule" but an explanation of observed market behavior NoOneMan Jan 2013 #31
So, your answer is that it really isn’t Jevons’ Paradox at work OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #33
My answer is that Jevon's Paradox doesn't "work". NoOneMan Jan 2013 #36
On David Owen and William Jevons OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #42
Why do I care about that article? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #48
You may not care about that article OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #50
Nothing about your thread here is an appeal to logic to be honest NoOneMan Jan 2013 #54
Wow...the fatalists struck gold with this one. wtmusic Jan 2013 #71
I don't think any of that is the point NoOneMan Jan 2013 #73
Civilization is producing more efficiently than it ever has in human history wtmusic Jan 2013 #77
Its a simple concept here NoOneMan Jan 2013 #80
Simple, but wrong. wtmusic Jan 2013 #81
The problem is assumption 2 mainly NoOneMan Jan 2013 #82
Good questions, but if you're going to support your hypothesis wtmusic Jan 2013 #84
Here is a quick answer.... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #86
Help me here...your source says you're wrong. wtmusic Jan 2013 #87
I said alter the assumption NoOneMan Jan 2013 #88
Why would you do that when solar produces 1% of US energy? wtmusic Jan 2013 #89
Because near 90% of electricity where I live is renewable NoOneMan Jan 2013 #92
Fine, but what's relevant to you is not close to being relevant to society as a whole wtmusic Jan 2013 #94
Presuming that society on a whole will not lower the carbon-intensity of their energy NoOneMan Jan 2013 #96
Trim quotes much? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #83
Both versions are meaningless and unsupportable wtmusic Jan 2013 #85
In general, we are going about pretending we don't even have to think about these matters NoOneMan Jan 2013 #90
My new term of the week is "motivated reasoning" GliderGuider Jan 2013 #93
Mine is "motivated density" wtmusic Jan 2013 #95
Not so. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #91
BTW, have you ever conversely thought.... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #74
There is no limit to human wants and desires. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #75
Especially humans with the desire to make others' lives better wtmusic Jan 2013 #78
With transglobal corporate monsters ruling all, Zeno's paradox certainly applies to you and me... Peace Patriot Jan 2013 #76
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