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JoePhilly

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60. Take DU as an example ...
Thu May 28, 2015, 08:15 AM
May 2015

... days after Obama took office, the whining began.

He let some RW pastor give a 30 second invocation ... GASP.
He was never going to end DADT.
He was going to CUT/GUT/SLASH Social security.
He was never going to leave Iraq.
He was going to make the tax cuts for the wealth permanent.
The ACA was awful and going to kill us all.
During his first term, any down turn in the DOW signaled a Double Dip recession.
He was going to invade Egypt, Syria, Libya, just like Bush had invaded Iraq.
He was never going to support ending DOMA.
Every months we add jobs, UE down about 5 points, and apparently all those are meaningless jobs.
Housing market was going to continue to collapse.
And of course, a DU standard, every Dem in congress sucks. Except maybe two or three.

All of these at one time or another were common wisdom on DU. Threads screaming bloody murder, rec'ed to the Greatest page over and over. And all for the most part, totally wrong.

In 2011 ... a large part of this site started to call for a primary opponent for Obama. Ignore the fact there was no such potential candidate in sight. The screaming was endless. And useless.

None of this nonsense moves the party in a more progressive direction.

Back in 2011 I tried to tell the folks demanding a primary of Obama that they'd do better to spend their time trying to find and BUILD more progressive candidates for 2016. And if they did not ... then by 2015, they'd all be here whining about Hillary Clinton and how there was no one strong enough to challenge her from the left.

And where exactly are we?

Right where I said we'd be.

So please feel free to run around whining about Obama, Clinton or Dems like Kay Hagen. Is the US Senate better with her, or with the Tea Bagger that replaced her?

You want to fix the party? First get as many Dems elected to office as possible. Even some of the Blue dogs where that is necessary given a states ACTUAL voter base. Then, build new candidates at the local level. People who will, overtime, move up and into positions of greater influence.

Or ... come to DU and scream about how awful the Democrats are. Because that somehow magically creates more progressive alternative candidates.

Oh ... when you watch the news shows ... watc the pundits. The one on the RW, angers that base, to get them to vote. And the one who is nominally positioned as the "liberal", listen to them all but tell Democrats that their candidates suck and they might as well stay home.

Get the angry RW base to vote a little more, get even a small amount of the perpetually disgruntled left to stay home, throw in some good old fashioned GOP voter suppression of minorities, and the youth vote ... and a party that should be DEAD, gets a shot at winning elections they should never win.

Enough details for you?

Well isn't it the first rule of all Progressives.. to attack the Democratic Party? TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #1
+1. "Progressive" is a misnomer. Hoyt May 2015 #6
Got that right. Cha May 2015 #18
Not all PROGRESSIVES are saints--and it's not a synonym for 'liberal.' MADem May 2015 #45
Good history. No wonder it's often like dealing with tbaggers Hoyt May 2015 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily May 2015 #53
so many "democrats" hated democrats JI7 May 2015 #2
yes steve2470 May 2015 #3
Do establishment Dems represent us well? RobertEarl May 2015 #39
Democrats tend to act like yippy dogs. JoePhilly May 2015 #4
well stated, good analogy nt steve2470 May 2015 #5
No. Badly stated RobertEarl May 2015 #43
totally agree TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #7
When I hear that sentence my heart sinks. Maraya1969 May 2015 #10
+1. "Endless sniping". I plead guilty as well, but your analysis is spot on! Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #16
How does endless sniping create the opposite of better candidates? Demit May 2015 #58
Take DU as an example ... JoePhilly May 2015 #60
I am saving this mcar May 2015 #61
Thanks!! JoePhilly May 2015 #62
I will mcar May 2015 #67
You said "endless sniping creates the OPPOSITE of better candidates." Demit May 2015 #63
Look, if you want to waste your time whining ... feel free. JoePhilly May 2015 #64
You sure take up a lot of space dodging a question. Demit May 2015 #65
I answered you ... you just don't like the answer. JoePhilly May 2015 #66
Right you are, and in enough detail that anyone open to facts should recognize the truth. Hekate May 2015 #69
You left out drones and NSA nikto Jun 2015 #73
Totally! treestar Jun 2015 #72
Just because a person posts on DU rock May 2015 #8
Exactly.. they can have any anonymous agenda they want. Until they slip up that is. Cha May 2015 #26
K & R. n/t FSogol May 2015 #9
It's Where The Core Of The Democratic Party Has Gone colsohlibgal May 2015 #11
"This site is filled with more progressive democrats, apparently, than neo democrats." OilemFirchen May 2015 #13
And if your vote for Stein, who will not win the presidency, happens to put a GOP in office, okay? freshwest May 2015 #14
Well said, fresh. Cha May 2015 #30
"Neo Democrats"? This site is filled with mean spirited hate.. slinging ignorant cheap pot shots Cha May 2015 #28
Nice knowing you. Hope you enjoy GREEN UNDERGROUND during the general electon. MADem May 2015 #46
I thought we would have a deeper understanding of realpolitik. yallerdawg May 2015 #12
That's a great post. But I do feel at times, as many others do, that it's waste here. freshwest May 2015 #15
We're just freer thinkers than them. LoveIsNow May 2015 #17
Who are "we" and who are "them"? OilemFirchen May 2015 #22
Democrats and Republicans LoveIsNow May 2015 #25
Okay, then. OilemFirchen May 2015 #27
Okay, then. LoveIsNow May 2015 #38
The OP was about "Hate".. and this has been true. "Rage Bait" is all the rage.. Ignorant Cheap Pot Cha May 2015 #40
not me... I am a party person. OKNancy May 2015 #34
Damn skippy! nt MrScorpio May 2015 #19
The same people would have complained bitterly about FDR. PBass May 2015 #20
"Rage Bait" is exaclty what they go for.. the more ignorant the better. Oh yeah, FDR wouldn't have Cha May 2015 #37
Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast May 2015 #21
What is a "false" Democrat? OilemFirchen May 2015 #23
Excellent post MissDeeds May 2015 #29
Who cares? As was stated in the OP.. this is the Barack Obama Group. If FDR were President now Cha May 2015 #31
Yeah...that swell integrated military--wait a minute, wait a MINUTE!!!! MADem May 2015 #47
How Sad for all those Black Sailors.. Yeah, the good ol days. I figured there would have been Cha May 2015 #50
Whining and shite being the key words here when we don't agree. Enthusiast May 2015 #55
Like I said this is the Barack Obama Group stated clearly in the OP.. So you don't come in here Cha May 2015 #56
Just read an article about the Japanese internment camps OKNancy May 2015 #35
Big Anti-Bernie pile-on starting on Facebook.... radhika May 2015 #24
Not sure why a few didn't read in your OP that this is the Barack Obama Group? They have the whole Cha May 2015 #32
K&R! hrmjustin May 2015 #33
Good for Skinner! sheshe2 May 2015 #36
me neither carolinayellowdog May 2015 #41
The VAST majority of members here are progressives. OilemFirchen May 2015 #48
Most Democrats don't hate Democats. NanceGreggs May 2015 #42
The good news is that this place in no way represents Democrats in the real world. nt onehandle May 2015 #51
+1 million. nt MADem May 2015 #54
Exactly. n/t FSogol May 2015 #70
Good for Skinner. brer cat May 2015 #44
K & R Iliyah May 2015 #52
dems hating dems RedstDem May 2015 #57
the "hate" is ugly and ignorant and I'm not even sure they are Dems. And, this is the Barack Obama Cha May 2015 #59
Yeah, I've seen some viciousness too. nt Stellar May 2015 #68
21 Major Hogwash May 2015 #71
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