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In reply to the discussion: If Corbyn is dumped, why should anyone who cares about workers and the poor bother voting Labour? [View all]Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)> The PLP is doing this because it doesn't want Labour to care about anything but "winning the election".
This is a lie. The PLP is doing this because they want to increase public spending and benefits, and to do that they need to win the election (I find it hilariously telling that you put scare quotes around "winning the election" - I think that's perfectly emblematic of Corbyn's attitude).
>It's clear that the PLP will ONLY accept Angela Eagle or Tom Watson as a replacement,
This is a lie. Lots of other names have been mentioned (Jarvis and Nandy are both front-runners).
>and both of them agree with the Tories on every major issue.
This is a lie - go look at their voting records (and please, don't play the "look, here is one specific vote that proves they're evil if taken in isolation" trick when so doing).
> If Labour won with that sort of leader, it would be impossible for it to be different in power than the Tories are.
This is a lie; see above.
>Neither is capable of trying to make life better for the poor (nothing can be done for the poor at all if Labour endorses the benefits cap).
Ditto.
> Neither cares about people who work for a living(you can't care about workers and support Thatcher's anti-worker laws).
This is a lie so foul and slanderous you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.
> Neither will let it be possible to be an activist for change and stay in the party.
This is not just a lie twice over: firstly most of the Labour party support change, just not all the changes you want, and secondly the only side planning purges are the Corbynites.
> It simply couldn't be worth anything to elect a Labour government if Labour's leader is a right-winger.
Agreed. Thankfully, none of the likely candidates are, all of them are good, solid left-wingers.
> Doing so means agreeing that Labour should have no passionate convictions on anything.
Doing so is not going to happen.
> And it means losing the vote of every young person in the UK forever.
Nonsense. With Corbyn gone, Tory-enablers like yourself will find it harder to spread the lie that there is no difference between the two parties, the obvious massive differences will become more apparent, and Labour will be the favourites (although far from certain) to win the next election.
> The fight to dump Corbyn is led by those who want Labour to finish Blair's project and leave Britain with two conservative parties.
Again, this is not just a lie but a particularly shameful and slanderous one. The truth is that the fight to keep Corbyn is led by those who would, albeit unintentionally, leave Britain with no plausible left-wing alternative to Conservative government.
Shame on you for dishonestly slandering fellow left-wingers. Shame on you for helping keep the Tories in power. Shame on you.