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Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
7. Easy: because practically every word you've written is a black lie.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jun 2016

> The PLP is doing this because it doesn't want Labour to care about anything but "winning the election".

This is a lie. The PLP is doing this because they want to increase public spending and benefits, and to do that they need to win the election (I find it hilariously telling that you put scare quotes around "winning the election" - I think that's perfectly emblematic of Corbyn's attitude).

>It's clear that the PLP will ONLY accept Angela Eagle or Tom Watson as a replacement,

This is a lie. Lots of other names have been mentioned (Jarvis and Nandy are both front-runners).

>and both of them agree with the Tories on every major issue.

This is a lie - go look at their voting records (and please, don't play the "look, here is one specific vote that proves they're evil if taken in isolation" trick when so doing).

> If Labour won with that sort of leader, it would be impossible for it to be different in power than the Tories are.

This is a lie; see above.

>Neither is capable of trying to make life better for the poor (nothing can be done for the poor at all if Labour endorses the benefits cap).

Ditto.

> Neither cares about people who work for a living(you can't care about workers and support Thatcher's anti-worker laws).

This is a lie so foul and slanderous you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

> Neither will let it be possible to be an activist for change and stay in the party.

This is not just a lie twice over: firstly most of the Labour party support change, just not all the changes you want, and secondly the only side planning purges are the Corbynites.

> It simply couldn't be worth anything to elect a Labour government if Labour's leader is a right-winger.

Agreed. Thankfully, none of the likely candidates are, all of them are good, solid left-wingers.

> Doing so means agreeing that Labour should have no passionate convictions on anything.

Doing so is not going to happen.

> And it means losing the vote of every young person in the UK forever.

Nonsense. With Corbyn gone, Tory-enablers like yourself will find it harder to spread the lie that there is no difference between the two parties, the obvious massive differences will become more apparent, and Labour will be the favourites (although far from certain) to win the next election.

> The fight to dump Corbyn is led by those who want Labour to finish Blair's project and leave Britain with two conservative parties.

Again, this is not just a lie but a particularly shameful and slanderous one. The truth is that the fight to keep Corbyn is led by those who would, albeit unintentionally, leave Britain with no plausible left-wing alternative to Conservative government.


Shame on you for dishonestly slandering fellow left-wingers. Shame on you for helping keep the Tories in power. Shame on you.

To preface this: I think the rebels are doing the wrong thing, and fiddling while Rome burns LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #1
Trying to understand what's going on. Matilda Jun 2016 #2
A tiny handful aren't, but the overwhelmingly majority are. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #3
It's a bit surreal. Matilda Jun 2016 #4
No, absolutely not. The rebels are about 70% of the PLP, from across the left wing of the spectrum. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #8
If they succeed, there will be no left-of-center proposals in the next Labour manifesto. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15
Is Corbyn a good leader? Dworkin Jun 2016 #5
I can see where the comparison to Foot could be made RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #20
And I think Corbyn and his team do understand television. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #21
Not particularly IMO; but then neither is anyone likely to replace him LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #22
There are many reasons why Labour imploded in Scotland. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #6
Easy: because practically every word you've written is a black lie. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #7
Dude, shrieking "Lie!" Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #9
A few points in response. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #10
Ok, forgive the bluntness, but if he's a liar!!!!, you're a bullshitter. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #11
Spot on about perception. Dworkin Jun 2016 #13
Blairism was nothing but Tory-lite. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #16
Corbyn wants to win the election just as much as you do. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17
For some muppet shrieking "Lie" every paragraph, you certainly enjoy telling them ... (n/t) Nihil Jun 2016 #19
OK. It's war. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #12
those numbers... Ironing Man Jun 2016 #14
Well ... Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #18
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