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Ken Burch

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2. EU withdrawal does make a second Scottish referendum a much greater possibility.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 10:37 PM

Jun 2016

The only way to forestall it will be for Labour to make its "No" campaign in Scotland completely independent of the campaign the Tories and the remnants of the LibDems will run.

Labour will need to champion the idea, as it did not in the "Better Together" campaign it was involved in with the other parties last time, of a social democratic, anti-austerity UK, of a UK that puts humane, egalitarian values on the same level with short-term gain for the few.

It will also mean making sure, in snap Westminster election if one is called, that most of the Labour candidates in Scotland are NOT Blairite types.

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Hopefully, Jeremy can use the closeness of this result to argue for a clear break with Blairism [View all] Ken Burch Jun 2016 OP

Scottish independence is a given if they secede, no? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1

EU withdrawal does make a second Scottish referendum a much greater possibility. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #2

They can't hav a snap election without Labour wanting it muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #3

... Ironing Man Jun 2016 #4

Best thing Corbyn can do is resign T_i_B Jun 2016 #5

Well, unenthusiastic support of the EU was probably the only decent position. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #8

Wrong T_i_B Jun 2016 #9

There was no way to campaign passionately for Remain Ken Burch Jun 2016 #23

As somebody who actually did campaign for remain T_i_B Jun 2016 #24

Corbyn's problem in campaigning on this Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #10

To be honest, nothing is going to be anyone's 'sole responsibility'. Except maybe the RW media's. LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #6

I agree that this involves far more than internal party politics. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7

The leadership challenge suggests that something good may come of it. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #11

People seem to have forgotten that the next major act in the political circus Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #13

Perhaps that is why the Blairites are so obsessed with getting rid of Cornbyn now. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #21

Something similar had occurred to me since I wrote that. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #22

Yvette Cooper could never be a left-wing prime minister Ken Burch Jun 2016 #14

In no sense of the word could Corbyn have been said to have campaigned well. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #12

And replace him with a leader who stands for nothing. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15

Yes, one could tell the difference LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #16

It would reduce a lot of the suspicion and trust about the anti-Corbynites Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17

Hopefully Corbyn is gone by next week and replaced with a leader who can campaign credibly Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #18

Agree 100% T_i_B Jun 2016 #19

The problem is, the two people most talked about as anti-Corbyn leadership candidates Ken Burch Jun 2016 #20

Utter rubbish T_i_B Jun 2016 #25

If those people had any strong principles, the rebels wouldn't want them. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26