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tralala

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18. i thought it was the opposite that happened

Reply to socialist_n_TN (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 06:34 PM

Apr 2012

where the end of the cult of personality is what led to the rise of the bureaucracy. the soviet bureaucracy was living on the edge of a knife under stalin. after his death they grew a spine, had stalin's close associates expelled from positions of power or executed (e.g. beria), denounced stalin to the world and blossomed into the nomenklatura.

i could be mistaken though.

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Did Lenin break with Marx? [View all] white_wolf Feb 2012 OP

Communism failed in Russia Confusious Feb 2012 #1

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but... white_wolf Feb 2012 #2

One of the most widespread popular maxims is, "human nature cannot be changed." tralala Apr 2012 #17

Let's turn the question around then. :) Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #3

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. Let's focus on was Marx right on where socialism would occur white_wolf Feb 2012 #4

I'm back. I got distracted reading more of the Parenti book. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #6

I've done some quick research on this topic and found a quote from Lenin that might be useful. white_wolf Feb 2012 #8

I think you're on the right track here - TBF Feb 2012 #13

Just a little clarification about my views on union actions and the Occupy .......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #14

IMO, because state socialism and capitalism are two sides of the same coin. joshcryer Feb 2012 #7

Just a couple quick points RZM Feb 2012 #5

That is a very good point. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #9

As to Russia, the rise of the bureaucracy led to the........... socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #10

Interesting analysis. I agree with that. nt mistertrickster Feb 2012 #11

The part about the bureaucracy in the USSR came from Trotsky........ socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #12

i thought it was the opposite that happened tralala Apr 2012 #18

Well it might be a "chicken or egg" thing............ socialist_n_TN Apr 2012 #19

Bolshevism in general broke with Marx in many ways. bayareamike Mar 2012 #15

why haven't there been any internally-generated revolutions in the "advanced" countries, then? tralala Apr 2012 #16

That's two questions there.......... socialist_n_TN Apr 2012 #20

There have. It's called the internet. joshcryer Apr 2012 #21

Hmmm... I'm not sure those were internally generated. nt TBF Apr 2012 #22

The entire open source movement which is largely the basis for the net... joshcryer Apr 2012 #23

Here, check out this video (Revolution OS): joshcryer Apr 2012 #24

Thank you for this conversation MrYikes Apr 2012 #25