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cprise

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50. There are several good progressive arguments against it:
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:40 PM
Feb 2013

The first one that comes to mind is that society has to choose between conservative and libertarian versions of polygamy. With the former only one person in a grouping is allowed to marry multiple times at once, so it involves stripping certain people of rights that their spouse continues to have and so there is no equality as someone will be the focal point and 'doer' or 'owner' of the group. The latter libertarian version allows any consenting adult to marry X number of other adults, creating the conditions for truly bizarre multiply-reinforced 2nd- and even 1st-order relationships encompassing whole communities; exclusivity becomes essentially meaningless for this version of marriage.

Neither one of these offers a vision of "progress".

Another reason is that polygamists can already get married and enjoy the benefits of marriage with someone they love--in pairs. They want more of what they already have, and want to drastically change the exclusivity of the institution of marriage to get it. This is why naysayers comparing gay marriage to polygamy are wrong, because would-be polygamists aren't being denied participation to the institution (nor does gay marriage create social pressure to treat spouses unequally or as property-- see below).

Yet another reason is that the threat of separation, divorce or other upheaval between two people in a polygamous group may be too much to bear in a liberal society that protects individual rights. Upsetting the peace, stability and fortunes of the rest of the group could result in a cascade or mutiny effect that shatters the group identity and economic status.

There is also the problem of how patriarchal polygamists divide their time and resources for each other and for parenting... And the question of what to do with so many 'surplus' adult males.

It probably goes without saying the added complexities hinted at above could also tie the court system in knots.

The way out of those resulting legal snafus is, of course, to strip spouses of their human rights so they can't get divorced or have to endure draconian conditions in the process. But you have to find some way to classify who will remain entitled and who will be disenfranchised. In most cases that has been determined by sex, but I can see it being determined by wealth and social status.

Ah yes... Wealth. I wouldn't be surprised if the USA flirts with true, legally sanctioned polygamy if the corporate class seize upon it as a way to further reinforce their fortunes and control over society.

I've wondered about that question before, too. loudsue Feb 2013 #1
If its truly voluntary and the participants free will, choice should prevail ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #4
Well Polygamy usually refers to one man with multiple wives fasttense Feb 2013 #53
Well, all us progressives just love slavery get the red out Feb 2013 #2
How about if the question is restricted to consenting adults only? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #6
It is the MAJORITY of the issue get the red out Feb 2013 #7
Problem is, they do it anyway. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #8
"bringing into the light" get the red out Feb 2013 #10
As I said, allowing it is not 'endorsing it'. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #13
+100! Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #15
Consenting behavior get the red out Feb 2013 #18
If it's not consenting, then it is actionable under law regardless of whether polygamy is legal AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #19
Yea, that will be "enforced" get the red out Feb 2013 #20
Most people worldwide, or just in the US? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #22
Hell get the red out Feb 2013 #25
I would think that being told you'll 'burn in hell' is less damaging than enabling physical dependen AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #27
What I was trying to say get the red out Feb 2013 #34
Not in the US. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #35
In jail you know your sentence at least get the red out Feb 2013 #36
I agree, insofar as the particulars vary. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #41
Free will misswizard1 Feb 2013 #24
Someone has anger issues. Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #16
Human Rights issues get the red out Feb 2013 #17
In fairness, you got pretty angry above. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #21
Of course I am passionate get the red out Feb 2013 #23
I am not indirectly supporting it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #26
I will go for something get the red out Feb 2013 #30
That could lead into another discussion. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #33
We need to value rights in this coutry get the red out Feb 2013 #38
Ok, "...Self-absorbed much?" more than just anger issues. Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #48
Lame misswizard1 Feb 2013 #28
While that poster wasn't terribly diplomatic about pointing it out AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #32
"I was clearly attacked upthread" misswizard1 Feb 2013 #37
By all means, cite where I 'dished it out'. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #39
"In fairness, you got pretty angry above." misswizard1 Feb 2013 #42
Bullshit-tastic. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #44
Yes, assumptions are dangerous, I may have incorrectly assumed the anger attack came from you but... misswizard1 Feb 2013 #45
Strawman argument. Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #49
Not enough depth in the gene pool. The incidence of birth defect is very high in Utah. marble falls Feb 2013 #3
hiding misswizard1 Feb 2013 #5
I was surprised when visiting Salt Lake City, that a high end department store in the mall, Cleita Feb 2013 #12
The entire history of polygamy as actually practiced. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #9
In theory, no. I don't think there is one against polyandry either. Cleita Feb 2013 #11
Precisely. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #14
I don't think there is any argument against it, just a need for serious regulation. mostlyalurker Feb 2013 #29
There is nothing illegal about voluntary living arrangements jberryhill Feb 2013 #31
Do women ever get to have half a dozen husbands? IADEMO2004 Feb 2013 #40
Yes. It is rare, and that rarity is an example of our mostly patriarchal society AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #43
Why does polygamy refer-in concept-only to 1 man w/multiple women? How about 1 woman w/multiple men? hue Feb 2013 #46
That is a heterosexist way of putting it cprise Feb 2013 #51
The Argument Against is Simple – Overpopulation PNW_Dem Feb 2013 #47
There are several good progressive arguments against it: cprise Feb 2013 #50
Yeah - more than one wife would kill me. Gorp Feb 2013 #52
Marriage is a partnership that gains some of its value from freedom fighter jh Feb 2013 #54
99% of the time polygamy is under patriarchal religions katchalater Mar 2013 #55
Spam deleted by MIR Team holywomenonearthnow5 May 2013 #56
Hello ~ holywomenonearthnow5 In_The_Wind May 2013 #57
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