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Jefferson23

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Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:25 PM Mar 2016

How Nate Silver Failed To Predict Trump [View all]

The political world’s go-to numbers guy now predicts a series of likely wins for the Republican front-runner.

by Tina Nguyen

If you want to understand how the entire American political establishment failed to predict the hugely successful candidacy of Donald Trump, look no further than the existential bafflement gripping Nate Silver, the election-predictions prophet who, after insisting for months that Trump had no shot at the nomination, is now close to accepting the reality that the billionaire real-estate developer could become the Republican presidential nominee.

Silver, a statistician by trade, gained a sterling reputation in the 2008 and 2012 election cycles by predicting the exact outcome of the presidential elections, nailing every state's electoral college vote in 2012. So it was natural when the wonks of the world accepted his premise last year that Trump was a fad and that Hillary Clinton would coast to the nomination. “Dear Media, Please Stop Freaking Out About Donald Trump’s Polls,” blared one Silver headline as late as November 23.

While Silver admitted in August that he and his FiveThirtyEight team were “going to make plenty of bad predictions over the course of the 2016 campaign,” it was easy to assume that those “bad predictions” would be due to the normal series of poll-dingers: steamy scandals, gaffes and blunders, and flagging fundraising. Yet here we are on the first caucus of the election, and Trump is poised to win not only Iowa, but nearly all the primaries leading up to the nomination.

In the past few days, Silver has published a long article parsing several theories as to why Trump has continued to have staying power and, in a telling move, conceded that perhaps his initial working premise, adapted from the book The Party Decides, is flawed. The 2008 book had become the go-to tome for analysts headed into 2016, in part because of its intuitively simple premise: that the political “establishment,” i.e., a group of ideologically aligned influencers such as politicians, celebrities, and donors, hold the authority to direct Americans to vote for one party and to further their own personal interests. “The book does presume that, in part because of their breadth and diversity, American political parties are strong institutions,” he wrote. “Furthermore, it assumes that strong, highly functional parties are able to make presidential nominations that further the party’s best interest.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/02/donald-trump-iowa-nate-silver
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Statistics elljay Mar 2016 #1
His play book is off, where the establishment and cohorts gave a definitive edge..he needs Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #2
MITTENS WAS SUPOSED TO WIN! the right SUFFERED MORE OBAMA! pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #3
Statistical predictions are always based on what has happened already. bemildred Mar 2016 #4
But... but... but... malthaussen Mar 2016 #6
Don't get me started. It gets ugly. bemildred Mar 2016 #7
I love statistical analyis. malthaussen Mar 2016 #8
Theorems are a lot easier to come up with than proofs. bemildred Mar 2016 #9
but how do you know to inform your statistic? It could seem like an outlier... CTyankee Mar 2016 #13
Elaborate on that please. bemildred Mar 2016 #15
I guess that is my point. "Past is prologue" is a good general idea and a worthy warning but CTyankee Mar 2016 #16
Yes. Outliers are the problem, and emergence. bemildred Mar 2016 #17
we could start with fascism and its emergence and go from there...we hear so much CTyankee Mar 2016 #18
Yes. But that's not statistics. bemildred Mar 2016 #19
Yes...he finally was the "Man of the Moment" after trying for years... KoKo Mar 2016 #27
The best way to lead is to figure out where everybody is going and then hurry to get in front. bemildred Mar 2016 #31
Open primaries have undercut the power of the two main parties too. bemildred Mar 2016 #35
models work until the situation changes and the past is no longer a predictor of the future egold2604 Mar 2016 #5
and in knowing basics like how the Margin of Error is greater in a small poll size and CTyankee Mar 2016 #12
then the model must be adapted to the current situation and that is difficult... CTyankee Mar 2016 #14
The models are built by people who understand statistics then turned over to interns egold2604 Mar 2016 #26
I am no statistician (fine arts major!) but I mentioned outliers upthread which of CTyankee Mar 2016 #29
Better yet, HOW EVERY BODY FAILED TO PREDICT TRUMP. Nitram Mar 2016 #10
Yea, but not everyone makes their living off of being a political prophet. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #11
I'm sure you are right, he seized the opportunity given his ego and power...he thinks CTyankee Mar 2016 #20
He saw an opportunity and did well with it for that period of time. I posted the OP I felt Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #23
Caught up in the wonky numbers...total math genius..but... KoKo Mar 2016 #22
People are under a great deal of stress and they can react in many ways, it seemed clear Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #24
Very Interesting...Thanks for Posting... KoKo Mar 2016 #21
Nostradamus couldn't have predicted Trump Relentless Liberal Mar 2016 #25
88% of statistics are made up ian cameron dromore Mar 2016 #28
"Lies, damn Lies, and statitics." CTyankee Mar 2016 #30
How to Lie with Statistics bemildred Mar 2016 #32
ep. You can phrase the question carefully and deviously...got that... CTyankee Mar 2016 #33
Very popular. bemildred Mar 2016 #34
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