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In reply to the discussion: Moncton shooting: 3 RCMP officers dead, 2 wounded [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)32. I see a similar theme with this paragraph:
A Facebook page purporting to belong to the shooter was filled with posts critical of the police and those who backed gun control.
The open carry yahoos still play dumb as to why people don't feel at ease with them carrying their own personal WMD around:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/107818547
Of course, they have sooo much respect for the Second Amendment, they deny the First Amendment to others:
Spitting, Stalking, Rape Threats: How Gun Extremists Target Women - Welcome to the dark side of America's war over guns
By Mark Follman - May 15, 2014
...Ever since the Sandy Hook massacre, a small but vocal faction of the gun rights movement has been targeting women who speak up on the issuewhether to propose tighter regulations, educate about the dangers to children, or simply to sell guns with innovative security features. The vicious and often sexually degrading attacks have evolved far beyond online trolling, culminating in severe bullying, harassment, invasion of privacy, and physical aggression. Though vitriol flows from both sides in the gun debate, these menacing tactics have begun to alarm even some entrenched pro-gun conservatives...
Last May in her hometown of Phoenix, she (Jennifer Longdon) helped coordinate a gun buyback program with local police over three weekends. On the first Saturday, a group of men assembled across the street from the church parking lot where Longdon was set up. They shouted about constitutional rights and tyranny, and called people arriving to trade in their guns "sellouts." (The program netted nearly 2,000 firearms with more than $200,000 in reimbursements.)
Some of them approached Longdon. "You know what was wrong with your shooting?" one said. "They didn't aim better." Another man came up, looked Longdon up and down and said, "I know who you are." Then he recited her home address. The harassment continued, and the men showed up throughout the program, a Phoenix police official involved confirmed to me.
After a fundraiser one night during the program, Longdon returned home around 10 p.m., parked her ramp-equipped van and began unloading herself. As she wheeled up to her house, a man stepped out of the shadows. He was dressed in black and had a rifle, "like something out of a commando movie," Longdon told me. He took aim at her and pulled the trigger. Longdon was hit with a stream of water. "Don't you wish you had a gun now, bitch?" he scoffed before taking off.
"It was like a mock execution," Longdon says, recalling the intense surge of adrenaline and how the incident triggered her PTSD from the 2004 attack that nearly killed her and her fiancé. She called the police, but they were unable to track down the perpetrator. By the following Saturday, Longdon was back at her post helping run the buyback...
Worth the time to see more details and the videos at the Mother Jones link:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas
Glad your friends aren't there, MADem. The Guardian article suggests he is using social media and might target more police or possibly those who oppose open carry or other forms of gun ownership.
There was confusion at the time as some thought he was a LEO. The assumption may have been that Bourque didn't look threatening, if open carry is legal in Canada:
My reply on another thread:
Picture of Justin Bourque walking away after shootings from another website with more details:
The gunman 24-year-old Justin Bourque, who is dressed as John Rambo played by actor Sylvester Stallone in the popular 1980s films, has shot five Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers including a woman, in Moncton in New Brunswick, Canada...
Danny Leblanc, 42, said he saw the shooter in the distance, wearing a camouflage outfit and standing in the middle of the street with his gun pointed at police cars.
The construction worker said he believed it was an RCMP officer until he heard a burst of automatic gunfire coming from the mans gun.
That guy was standing on the road afterwards and he was looking towards us, he said.
He said he quickly retreated into his home and remained there with his family. At one point a neighbour posted on social media that their kitchen window was shattered by gunfire.
http://www.news.com.au/world/rcmp-on-hunt-of-gunman-justin-bourque-after-multiple-shootings-in-moncton/story-fndir2ev-1226944168831
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014819200#post9
The fear caused by the open carry crowd, especially since they respond to any criticism with assaults, death threats by phone, mail and email, crossing all social boundaries, is logical and common sense.
It creates a higher level of constant anxiety which causes people to reduce their thinking process to the survival level and not reason. To deny that effect is how they escalate the bullying.
It's crazymaking, where the victims are kept on edge as they don't know what the person with the gun will do next, bad or good, diverting their energy to being ready to flee danger. But the open carry crowd is setting up this social dynamic:
Essentially it is treating the individual not as someone you love but as someone you resent, or a stranger, or switching between extremes. This then leaves the victim unable to relax and constantly on their guard and as such this can give way to severe stress, paranoia, or other similar issues.
If you then complain about the situation you will be told you are being stupid or overly sensitive and in your current mental state you might be inclined to listen.
This in itself is a form of mental abuse that can be damaging and can also prevent you from escaping from the situation.
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/12799/1/Mental-Abuse--Tell-Tale-Signs-of-Crazy-Making-Psychological-Abuse.html
It's a very effective techique in personal life and political issues. The stress causes people to surrender their own rights to live their lives as they would prefer to these Rambo wannabes.
At the MJ article, you can see these guys are using the same techniques Walker supporters did in Wisconsin to intimidate people who were working on recall to silence them.
In several cases they went at night, a favorite time for all criminal enterprises, to the homes of the petition signers and did property damage by shooting through windows and other acts. They have no respect for property rights, first amendment or other rights, only their rights to bully others.
They are most often targeting women who want to protect their children, community and themselves. This culture is overflowing our border to the north now.
JMHO.
The open carry yahoos still play dumb as to why people don't feel at ease with them carrying their own personal WMD around:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/107818547
Of course, they have sooo much respect for the Second Amendment, they deny the First Amendment to others:
Spitting, Stalking, Rape Threats: How Gun Extremists Target Women - Welcome to the dark side of America's war over guns
By Mark Follman - May 15, 2014
...Ever since the Sandy Hook massacre, a small but vocal faction of the gun rights movement has been targeting women who speak up on the issuewhether to propose tighter regulations, educate about the dangers to children, or simply to sell guns with innovative security features. The vicious and often sexually degrading attacks have evolved far beyond online trolling, culminating in severe bullying, harassment, invasion of privacy, and physical aggression. Though vitriol flows from both sides in the gun debate, these menacing tactics have begun to alarm even some entrenched pro-gun conservatives...
Last May in her hometown of Phoenix, she (Jennifer Longdon) helped coordinate a gun buyback program with local police over three weekends. On the first Saturday, a group of men assembled across the street from the church parking lot where Longdon was set up. They shouted about constitutional rights and tyranny, and called people arriving to trade in their guns "sellouts." (The program netted nearly 2,000 firearms with more than $200,000 in reimbursements.)
Some of them approached Longdon. "You know what was wrong with your shooting?" one said. "They didn't aim better." Another man came up, looked Longdon up and down and said, "I know who you are." Then he recited her home address. The harassment continued, and the men showed up throughout the program, a Phoenix police official involved confirmed to me.
After a fundraiser one night during the program, Longdon returned home around 10 p.m., parked her ramp-equipped van and began unloading herself. As she wheeled up to her house, a man stepped out of the shadows. He was dressed in black and had a rifle, "like something out of a commando movie," Longdon told me. He took aim at her and pulled the trigger. Longdon was hit with a stream of water. "Don't you wish you had a gun now, bitch?" he scoffed before taking off.
"It was like a mock execution," Longdon says, recalling the intense surge of adrenaline and how the incident triggered her PTSD from the 2004 attack that nearly killed her and her fiancé. She called the police, but they were unable to track down the perpetrator. By the following Saturday, Longdon was back at her post helping run the buyback...
Worth the time to see more details and the videos at the Mother Jones link:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas
Glad your friends aren't there, MADem. The Guardian article suggests he is using social media and might target more police or possibly those who oppose open carry or other forms of gun ownership.
There was confusion at the time as some thought he was a LEO. The assumption may have been that Bourque didn't look threatening, if open carry is legal in Canada:
My reply on another thread:
Picture of Justin Bourque walking away after shootings from another website with more details:
The gunman 24-year-old Justin Bourque, who is dressed as John Rambo played by actor Sylvester Stallone in the popular 1980s films, has shot five Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers including a woman, in Moncton in New Brunswick, Canada...
Danny Leblanc, 42, said he saw the shooter in the distance, wearing a camouflage outfit and standing in the middle of the street with his gun pointed at police cars.
The construction worker said he believed it was an RCMP officer until he heard a burst of automatic gunfire coming from the mans gun.
That guy was standing on the road afterwards and he was looking towards us, he said.
He said he quickly retreated into his home and remained there with his family. At one point a neighbour posted on social media that their kitchen window was shattered by gunfire.
http://www.news.com.au/world/rcmp-on-hunt-of-gunman-justin-bourque-after-multiple-shootings-in-moncton/story-fndir2ev-1226944168831
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014819200#post9
The fear caused by the open carry crowd, especially since they respond to any criticism with assaults, death threats by phone, mail and email, crossing all social boundaries, is logical and common sense.
It creates a higher level of constant anxiety which causes people to reduce their thinking process to the survival level and not reason. To deny that effect is how they escalate the bullying.
It's crazymaking, where the victims are kept on edge as they don't know what the person with the gun will do next, bad or good, diverting their energy to being ready to flee danger. But the open carry crowd is setting up this social dynamic:
Essentially it is treating the individual not as someone you love but as someone you resent, or a stranger, or switching between extremes. This then leaves the victim unable to relax and constantly on their guard and as such this can give way to severe stress, paranoia, or other similar issues.
If you then complain about the situation you will be told you are being stupid or overly sensitive and in your current mental state you might be inclined to listen.
This in itself is a form of mental abuse that can be damaging and can also prevent you from escaping from the situation.
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/12799/1/Mental-Abuse--Tell-Tale-Signs-of-Crazy-Making-Psychological-Abuse.html
It's a very effective techique in personal life and political issues. The stress causes people to surrender their own rights to live their lives as they would prefer to these Rambo wannabes.
At the MJ article, you can see these guys are using the same techniques Walker supporters did in Wisconsin to intimidate people who were working on recall to silence them.
In several cases they went at night, a favorite time for all criminal enterprises, to the homes of the petition signers and did property damage by shooting through windows and other acts. They have no respect for property rights, first amendment or other rights, only their rights to bully others.
They are most often targeting women who want to protect their children, community and themselves. This culture is overflowing our border to the north now.
JMHO.
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What if the shooter is a "good guy" American gun owner? You know, he *legally* owns
valerief
Jun 2014
#4
That would be an interesting trick, since his presence in Canada would be illegal.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2014
#5
Picture of Justin Bourque walking away after shootings from another website with more details:
freshwest
Jun 2014
#9
At least he appears to have no body armor on...that should make it easier when they find him..
EX500rider
Jun 2014
#37