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23. Chavez was a national hero, and the RW had no real possibility of a coup while he was

Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:56 AM

Mar 2014

President. They tried and failed, with US support, to overthrow Chavez in 2002.

Maduro is not nearly as charismatic as Chavez, so the right wingers know that if they keep agitating they might have a shot at weakening, and maybe even toppling, the government, and installing a RW government.

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Venezuela looks to S.American leaders as toll hits 20 [View all] Zorro Mar 2014 OP

Why doesn't he pull VN out of the OAS? nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #1

He needs to talk to the people in the streets hack89 Mar 2014 #2

The right wing would shoot him faster than you could say "Pinochet". nt Zorra Mar 2014 #21

The opposition is much larger than just the "right wing" hack89 Mar 2014 #35

I suppose there are a small number of non-RWers joining in the protests, Zorra Mar 2014 #46

VZ is much worse off than the US hack89 Mar 2014 #47

Yes, they are. But the overwhelming majority, despite current problems, are far better off Zorra Mar 2014 #48

But they will lose all that hack89 Mar 2014 #51

Wut mxnster Mar 2014 #3

Nope, yesterday, Venezuela severed all ties with Panama. smokey775 Mar 2014 #4

Lol mxnster Mar 2014 #10

Panama could give Venezuela advice on being invaded by the U.S. daleo Mar 2014 #38

No kidding. No sneaky kittens on that one. Would help put the situation into proportion. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #54

Did the CIA have something to do with this? truthisfreedom Mar 2014 #5

Nope. smokey775 Mar 2014 #6

Yeah, that's the talking point alright. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #8

Yes and I hope they vote for the Bolivarian movement again, smokey775 Mar 2014 #9

And here it is again, folks. The pretend Bolivarian. The pretend leftist. delrem Mar 2014 #12

Do you agree with Maduro that the Obama administration is behind the problems in Venezuela? Zorro Mar 2014 #14

Someone having a bad day? smokey775 Mar 2014 #15

I didn't know what that was about. Nice cookie. May I have one? freshwest Mar 2014 #17

He's just peeved because I don't support Maduro as president, smokey775 Mar 2014 #20

Thanks for explaining that! And for the cookie! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #22

+1 --that was just a freaky approach to the debate! MADem Mar 2014 #29

Of course that is what the people want and that is why we wage wars iemitsu Mar 2014 #36

The actions in VZ are homegrown. MADem Mar 2014 #42

Sounds like inside info you have, madem RobertEarl Mar 2014 #63

Oh, snarky boy! You mad, bro? MADem Mar 2014 #73

Got a link to that article? smokey775 Mar 2014 #76

And 'anticipatory orgasms' in common parlance is a sexual faux pas, I think. I don't think DUers freshwest Mar 2014 #53

No true Scotsman don't ya know.. n/t EX500rider Mar 2014 #57

Could you please clarify who you are asking what? freshwest Mar 2014 #16

+1 1000words Mar 2014 #27

Maybe. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #7

Why is it always the CIA? Why not the Koches. Exxon, Chevron, whoever? Why a middleman? freshwest Mar 2014 #18

True enough. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #32

"the pro-oligarchic opposition" EX500rider Mar 2014 #60

Add'em all up and they're still a minority... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #62

What "gains?" The country has been BACKSLIDING for the past two or three years. MADem Mar 2014 #74

Maduro is in way over his head. He needs no help in running his own country into the ditch. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #11

Perhaps the Venezuelans need their own Maidan. amandabeech Mar 2014 #13

Oh hooray. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #33

And without burning down city squares with rubber tires seveneyes Mar 2014 #34

All of this in one year... It wasn't that crazy under Chavez, was it? TIA. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #19

Chavez was a national hero, and the RW had no real possibility of a coup while he was Zorra Mar 2014 #23

Compared to Chavez, Maduro is a big step down. It's too bad when a country depends on one leader. freshwest Mar 2014 #24

Venezuela is not Ukraine Zorra Mar 2014 #25

Nobody's supporting a RW coup in Venezuela, smokey775 Mar 2014 #26

I'd prefer to let President Maduro explain it to you, in detail, in his own words. Zorra Mar 2014 #52

"I'd prefer to let President Maduro explain it to you, in detail, in his own words." EX500rider Mar 2014 #61

Observing that they did not have sufficient governmental infrastructure or regulation - and it can freshwest Mar 2014 #28

The demonstrations aren't going to stop. The ones doing the killing are wearing uniforms MADem Mar 2014 #31

"The latest fatalities were a police officer who succumbed in hospital to a gunshot wound..." Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #39

Yes, and the previous eighteen (correction 21) were students and their supporters. MADem Mar 2014 #40

Here's two more dead: A National Guardsman and one of those motorcycle guys. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #70

Maduro has told the colectivos (the armed motorcycle guys who shoot the students) MADem Mar 2014 #72

Yes. Zorra Mar 2014 #44

Chavez paid the bills, and thus had fewer problems keeping the shelves stocked, at least somewhat. MADem Mar 2014 #30

I'd give Chavez more credit for the mess they are in actually Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #37

I think after Hugo got sick he stopped paying attention. MADem Mar 2014 #41

Venezuela is so screwed n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #43

It's such a crying shame. They are sitting on a treasure they need to use NOW. MADem Mar 2014 #50

This is what I always thought. They could train their people to do everything. There should be no freshwest Mar 2014 #55

The US is both Venz. largest export AND import partner. n/t EX500rider Mar 2014 #58

Thanks. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #64

Their unemployment doesn't seem bad, compared to ours: Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #66

That's a dishonest comparison. smokey775 Mar 2014 #67

Yeah, that's it! Dishonest. You proved it's wrong, didn't you? n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #68

Well, coming from you, that's really rich. smokey775 Mar 2014 #69

Way too many of the "employed" are serving as "paid enforcer of the regime." MADem Mar 2014 #75

check this: Venezuela suspends negotiation on debt with Panama Bacchus4.0 Mar 2014 #45

Hmmm. How does the oil get to China...? MADem Mar 2014 #49

Oil tankers are too big for the Panama Canal hack89 Mar 2014 #59

Oil is a fungible commodity Zorro Mar 2014 #65

Yes, it is. You're quite right. MADem Mar 2014 #71

Interesting. Panama still favors VZ migration and investments; VZ's oil doesn't go through the Canal freshwest Mar 2014 #56

I think actually, they sell it close by, and take the money. MADem Mar 2014 #77