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In reply to the discussion: 9/11 Link To Saudi Arabia Is Topic Of 28 Redacted Pages In Government Report; Congressmen Push For R [View all]wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)385. I've been arguing with....
some of those same members for years and nothing changes. I admire your persistence & patience. I don't waste time much with the same old ones as I know they wouldn't change their argument no matter what. But anyone with half a brain knows 9/11 was very suspicious and served it's purpose like the PNACers wanted along with many more fascists.
Great posts too btw...
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Indi Guy
Dec 2013
OP
"Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R) & Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney (R)
Berlum
Dec 2013
#1
He's the one who was building the ground zero mosque, and he's been the #2 shareholder of NewsCorp.
Zen Democrat
Dec 2013
#177
PNAC PNAC PNAC PNAC That is the document that spelled it out. And the bush crime family
loudsue
Dec 2013
#17
Zzactly. Bin Ladens are the biggest construction co. for the Saudi royal family.
loudsue
Dec 2013
#55
The bin Laden's that were partners with HW Bush in a militiary supply company - Carlyle?
lark
Dec 2013
#138
Bin Ladens were in town on 9/11 for a board meeting with Bush, Sr. and the Carlyle Group.
Old and In the Way
Dec 2013
#154
PNAC's Open LETTER TO CLINTON - Run-up to War Officially Began in 1998 _ a brief synopsis...
Indi Guy
Dec 2013
#175
The only media personality I recall discussing the Saudi Royals involvement
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#3
Inquiring minds can't help but wonder who all are being protected in those redacted pages,
indepat
Dec 2013
#57
That's none of your business! Government business is government business, and none of yours! nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#84
The bidness of America is bidness and the bidness of government is to nurture and
indepat
Dec 2013
#98
During those days there was an atmosphere of fear among politicians & journalists,...
Indi Guy
Dec 2013
#217
I think the framework can be found in the PNAC documents, and the implementation
Old and In the Way
Dec 2013
#156
It seems you're not interested in what really happened, not interested in government secrecy,
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#22
Nonsense! a truther(as I am) merely knows we were lied to and wants the truth! n/t
wildbilln864
Dec 2013
#46
Doesn't it raise your suspicions when emotional rhetoric is developed which is intended to...
Indi Guy
Dec 2013
#176
You said in post 202 "toppled over like trees". Trees topple from the bottom.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#219
It's bat-shit crazy to believe that the buildings were taken down by demolitions
cpwm17
Dec 2013
#207
So you are claiming that Professors of Engineering don't know steel when they see it?
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#345
What about melting of girders do you not understand? Do you think there were lead girders?
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#355
Indeed they are. Which is why NIST's narrative is an unacceptable substitute for hard evidence. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#362
The 10,000 pages contain only a one-paragraph narration of the propagation of the collapse
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#366
Not at all. You made an understandable error. The non-indented posts are confusing. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#357
There was nothing chaotic about the towers' collapse. The order is the surprising thing.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#209
Well stated. Also, although it's obvious that WTC7 fell virtually at free fall speed as well...
Indi Guy
Dec 2013
#221
Too many advocates of 9/11 conspiracy theories make repulsive (and unconvincing) claims of proof. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#225
And the twenty-two witnesses who heard explosions and saw the cracks they caused
Th1onein
Dec 2013
#230
I wonder why there is no similar august body of architects, physic experts, and engineers
Old and In the Way
Dec 2013
#243
It's common sense to ask that the government deliver the objectives of the reports.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#246
Most of the relevant professional organizations agree with the conclusions of the NIST.
AZCat
Dec 2013
#257
What about the thermal expansion calcs that NIST refused to release on grounds of public safety?
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#275
The reality is that their calcs have not been released. No check on that is necesary. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#282
They haven't checked that the calcs have been released, because they haven't been. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#285
Does the fact that NIST won't release data which appear to be crucial to their conclusions...
Indi Guy
Dec 2013
#278
Yeah, the real collapse turned out to be simpler than a tortured, complicated model.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#292
It's not simple to someone who labors to complicate it, that's for certain. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#295
That makes perfect sense. Lawyers labor to complicate every issue to gain advantage
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#303
Because some of us around here act like public-spirited citizens seeking investigations`
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#316
To which group belong the posters who think they know something about physics...
AZCat
Dec 2013
#318
You posted a definition of kinetic energy, claiming that was the energy equation.
AZCat
Dec 2013
#322
I posted the equation for kinetic energy. You're playing some juvenile game. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#334
Unsubstantiated in that your assertions reference no authority but that of an
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#365
NIST's implicit admission that their analysis is inconsistent with laws of physics is nothing? nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#312
Given your apparent emotional investment in the notion of NIST's integrity, no surprise there. nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#319
Oh, you haven't spent many years here bullying people who question the official reports?
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#323
Yeah, we're so lucky to have someone here who knows all the secrets of all the secret modeling
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#296
'Cause I like to think I'm cutting edge, looking forward, not back. Y'know? nt
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#306
Wow, and here's the 911 truth dot org site publishing an article on the Saudis
Th1onein
Dec 2013
#229
Condi lied under oath when she claimed that the "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" memo
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#51
there's more than one set of questions about 9/11 & more than one person asking or trying to answer
yurbud
Dec 2013
#144
"Truthers," as the name implies, are demanding the truth from our government.
Th1onein
Dec 2013
#227
of course the saudis are responsible they wanted the troops we had there at the airbase
leftyohiolib
Dec 2013
#7
Considering the Bush / FOX "News" / Saudi relationship I figure there are SEVERAL smoking guns.
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2013
#43
aren't you at least a little curious what went on with the Saudi gov't and 9/11, given that the whol
yurbud
Dec 2013
#123
I get that the Republicans run by Cheney used 9/11 as if it was a gift....
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2013
#140
does it matter to you whether they just "used" it versus at minimum protecting those actually guilty
yurbud
Dec 2013
#142
Sure, but every time anyone mentions actions against the Saudis we hear they're too big to fail.
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2013
#145
What they did needs to at least be made clear, so the public can evaluate whether "too big to fail"
yurbud
Dec 2013
#147
There are some people in this country who believe it was Hollywood Liberals.
Spitfire of ATJ
Dec 2013
#148
Here's former senator with first-hand knowledge, Bob Graham on the same matter:
BelgianMadCow
Dec 2013
#9
If wikileaks or anonymous were to release anything, these 28 pages would be it...
Javaman
Dec 2013
#14
That, and the fact that it would have been near impossible for one guy to bring four planes down
FiveGoodMen
Dec 2013
#161
I'll debunk that. Those cuts were made in the cleanup process by a thermal lance.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#30
What that shows is not an angle-cut column but a perimeter column module perched at the top
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#75
There's a lot of nonsense floating around the internet--and a lot of the 9/11 stuff is like
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#136
A PhD structural engineer can not refute criticisms of his report and must resort
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#143
So now you change the subject from Dr. Sunder's apparent inability to refute criticism
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#149
The meme that the collapse was caused by the planes hitting was put out quickly:
Th1onein
Dec 2013
#231
The Saudi revelations/redactions are a political issue, relevant regardless of whether
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#85
Doubts about the integrity of an official gov't report during a time of politicized science
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#87
I OPd on DU about the Saudi issue weeks ago. And I'm free to discuss anything I want
BelgianMadCow
Dec 2013
#88
that's a different kind of issue than who actually funded and coordinated the attacks and why they
yurbud
Dec 2013
#124
The Bushes and the Bin Ladens have been doing business together for decades! N/T
wildbilln864
Dec 2013
#44
According to those who talk shit to CT's, the gov't NEVER lies, everything has been reported &
mother earth
Dec 2013
#60
Ah, the very definition of a strawman takes shape and rises under it's own power, so large
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#61
Crusader, where's your super hero outfit? The one with the big "S" for sucker. nt
mother earth
Dec 2013
#65
Surely you can offer just one post from a 'person who shits on CT'rs' that exhibits the elements you
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#66
The blade is dull, AC. You disappoint, and clearly you don't pay attention. nt
mother earth
Dec 2013
#68
Your original assertion remains a strawman. They are not difficult to set on fire. Simply ask for
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#73
I need evidence, but when evidence is hidden away by the gov't, it's completely unnecessary.
mother earth
Dec 2013
#77
You have none, because no one makes the ridiculous claims you fabricated here.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#78
I've been told that personally in other encounters, specifically the JFK threads of late, not that I
mother earth
Dec 2013
#79
You made a broad brush attack, a very specific one, against a group of DU members.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#86
That post is accurate. Truther's did not uncover this set of documents.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#119
Right, that totally explains why the International Business Times ran the story.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2013
#183
They haven't uncovered the documents. They're still redacted--as truthers have been pointing out
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#189
I posted these thoughts earlier, but I think they might also be appropriate here...
Indi Guy
Dec 2013
#188
It's a pretty fair description of the quality of argument that the "debunkers" employ
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#152
We already know that his wife was writing checks for benefactors of known al Qaeda agents
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#97
We attacked one country that had nothing to do with 9/11 & one that was at worst terrorists...
yurbud
Dec 2013
#100
I guess you disagree with this OP concerning Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11
cpwm17
Dec 2013
#129
yep--I remember later stories that most caves were just deep enough to get out of sight for a minute
yurbud
Dec 2013
#171
Still believe that the bin Ladens were flying around looking for cheap American land to buy on 9/11
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2013
#108
"Move along. Nothing to see here." - CorporateMedia Borg, Inc. (R - Propaganda Catapult)
Berlum
Dec 2013
#132
If 9/11 had happened on Obama's watch with the same action/reactions, I guarantee you that
Old and In the Way
Dec 2013
#167
According to FEMA's zipper-pancake theory that was conventional engineering wisdom for 3 years
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#165
Nice you could send anyone who was involved to private prisons or tortured, ooops they drowned
mitty14u2
Dec 2013
#172
Senator Bob Graham and 9/11 Commissioners Bob Kerry, Max Cleland, Lee Hamilton, and Tom Kean...
Indi Guy
Dec 2013
#239
I'm curious to know what the Congressmen think our relationship should be now,
TwilightGardener
Dec 2013
#298