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In reply to the discussion: Jahi McMath's mom clear to take her from hospital [View all]Hekate
(93,630 posts)21. Terrific blog post. That was no "simple tonsillectomy" as the MSM describes it over and over....
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2014/01/jahis-legacy.html
This:
From CHOs attorneys response court filings on December 20, we learned that Jahi had not had a simple tonsillectomy, but actually several invasive procedures to open up her upper airway. Shed undergone an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty, and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates. In laymens terms, her tonsils and adenoids had been surgically removed from the back of her throat, her uvula (that thing hanging down at the back of your throat) and soft palate removed or remodeled, and excess soft tissue removed from the back of her nose. These tissues are very fragile and highly vascular, meaning they can bleed a lot, as anyone who has had a nosebleed can testify to. We learned via local media that the teen had recently been given the privilege of taking the bus to nearby Berkeley to get her favorite treat from an ice cream shop: a snickerdoodle ice cream sandwich with vanilla ice cream, despite weight being a huge factor in obstructive sleep apnea.
And this:
Via messages left on SFGates message board, commenters claimed that the family did not follow the physicians post-op instructions. Because of HIPAA laws, the hospital and staff are not allowed to talk, but civilians visiting the hospital are not bound to silence. Numerous posts claimed that the family marched extended family to Jahis bedside, talking to her and encouraging her to talk back. Doctors and nurses instructed the parents to keep the teen quiet.
There has also been chatter on message boards regarding co-morbidities. While it is true that anything on the Internet needs to be read with suspicion, sometimes the truth ekes out. Posts were made stating that she had Type 2 diabetes and asthma. Posts were made claiming that Bay Area physicians, when asked by parents about tonsillectomy risks, replied that the word in the medical community was that Jahis family failed to disclose a familial predisposition to bleeding. Because of HIPAA laws, the hospital is not allowed to discuss the case at all, and is only allowed to say that Jahi is in the facility and that her condition has not changed.
Things are starting to look like this was family noncompliance, not physician error or nurse negligence. Talking is a no-no in the immediate post-op period after any sort of upper airway surgery. Failing to disclose something as serious as a potential bleeding disorder may well have been fatal.
The family are starting to look like idiots, with all due respect to their grief. (Even idiots grieve deeply -- but if they do things like bring in a stream of visitors and tell the kid to talk when they've been specifically instructed to not do anything of the sort, it is not the hospital's fault.)
And this, for the benefit of the MSM and others who can't tell the difference between irreversible brain death and a coma:
In the early-morning hours of December 11, signs of brain swelling were noted. That pressure, combined with a lack of blood flow, effectively killed her cerebral cortex and brain stem. How is it known her brain stem is dead? Because she is unable to breathe on her own without the ventilator, and has no swallow or gag reflex. How do we know her cerebral cortexthe seed of our consciousness and individualityis dead? She is unconscious because there is no blood flowing through her brain and there is no electrical activity.
Her heart beats because the heart does not need messages from the brain to beat....
The whole thing is horrifying. Several years ago I read a worst-case scenario about a mother who kept the corpse of her child ventilated and fed at home for nearly a year. It took that long for all the cells to finally die. A couple of times she rushed the youngster to the ER because of airway obstruction -- the medical professionals tried to tell her the "obstruction" was actually decay, but there was no getting through her denial. I hope to God Jahi doesn't end up like that.
This:
From CHOs attorneys response court filings on December 20, we learned that Jahi had not had a simple tonsillectomy, but actually several invasive procedures to open up her upper airway. Shed undergone an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty, and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates. In laymens terms, her tonsils and adenoids had been surgically removed from the back of her throat, her uvula (that thing hanging down at the back of your throat) and soft palate removed or remodeled, and excess soft tissue removed from the back of her nose. These tissues are very fragile and highly vascular, meaning they can bleed a lot, as anyone who has had a nosebleed can testify to. We learned via local media that the teen had recently been given the privilege of taking the bus to nearby Berkeley to get her favorite treat from an ice cream shop: a snickerdoodle ice cream sandwich with vanilla ice cream, despite weight being a huge factor in obstructive sleep apnea.
And this:
Via messages left on SFGates message board, commenters claimed that the family did not follow the physicians post-op instructions. Because of HIPAA laws, the hospital and staff are not allowed to talk, but civilians visiting the hospital are not bound to silence. Numerous posts claimed that the family marched extended family to Jahis bedside, talking to her and encouraging her to talk back. Doctors and nurses instructed the parents to keep the teen quiet.
There has also been chatter on message boards regarding co-morbidities. While it is true that anything on the Internet needs to be read with suspicion, sometimes the truth ekes out. Posts were made stating that she had Type 2 diabetes and asthma. Posts were made claiming that Bay Area physicians, when asked by parents about tonsillectomy risks, replied that the word in the medical community was that Jahis family failed to disclose a familial predisposition to bleeding. Because of HIPAA laws, the hospital is not allowed to discuss the case at all, and is only allowed to say that Jahi is in the facility and that her condition has not changed.
Things are starting to look like this was family noncompliance, not physician error or nurse negligence. Talking is a no-no in the immediate post-op period after any sort of upper airway surgery. Failing to disclose something as serious as a potential bleeding disorder may well have been fatal.
The family are starting to look like idiots, with all due respect to their grief. (Even idiots grieve deeply -- but if they do things like bring in a stream of visitors and tell the kid to talk when they've been specifically instructed to not do anything of the sort, it is not the hospital's fault.)
And this, for the benefit of the MSM and others who can't tell the difference between irreversible brain death and a coma:
In the early-morning hours of December 11, signs of brain swelling were noted. That pressure, combined with a lack of blood flow, effectively killed her cerebral cortex and brain stem. How is it known her brain stem is dead? Because she is unable to breathe on her own without the ventilator, and has no swallow or gag reflex. How do we know her cerebral cortexthe seed of our consciousness and individualityis dead? She is unconscious because there is no blood flowing through her brain and there is no electrical activity.
Her heart beats because the heart does not need messages from the brain to beat....
The whole thing is horrifying. Several years ago I read a worst-case scenario about a mother who kept the corpse of her child ventilated and fed at home for nearly a year. It took that long for all the cells to finally die. A couple of times she rushed the youngster to the ER because of airway obstruction -- the medical professionals tried to tell her the "obstruction" was actually decay, but there was no getting through her denial. I hope to God Jahi doesn't end up like that.
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Is she going to try to take the child out to the New York hospital without medical support.
NYC_SKP
Jan 2014
#2
"Judge Grillo...not(ed) the girl could be moved with the ventilator she is now using."
rocktivity
Jan 2014
#4
The certificate doesn't have a CAUSE of death, of course, because an autopsy hasn't been done
rocktivity
Jan 2014
#24
Now that she's "officially" dead, disposing of Jahi properly is all the family CAN do
rocktivity
Jan 2014
#28
You also have to wonder if this had been a blond blue eyed girl if opinions would be different.
Violette_Crime
Jan 2014
#43
Terrific blog post. That was no "simple tonsillectomy" as the MSM describes it over and over....
Hekate
Jan 2014
#21
They are religious people, and I hope that their god will soon help them accept their daughter's
Sheldon Cooper
Jan 2014
#41