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Peace Patriot

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133. Capriles and Uribe sued over plot to wreck Venezuela's trade with Colombia
Sat May 18, 2013, 12:30 PM
May 2013

First posted by Judi Lynn here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110817351

Very relevant to this thread, so I'm quoting it in its entirety below.

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Venezuelan opposition leader sued in Colombia
posted by Adriaan Alsema
May 16, 2013

Venezuelan opposition leader Henrique Capriles and Colombian former President Alvaro Uribe have been sued for trying to disrupt exports to Venezuela and destabilize their governments.

According to the plaintiff, Colombian lawyer Aurelio Jimenez, Capriles met with Uribe and the former president’s adviser Jose Obdulio Gaviria in November 2011 to plan a disruption of exports to Venezuela with the aim of destabilizing the government of Colombia’s neighbor to the east.

The Colombian and Venezuelan politicians subsequently approached Colombian exporters and Venezuelan importers to convince them to suspend trade and intentionally cause scarcity in supermarkets in Caracas, according to Jimenez.

The attorney’s claim has been supported by audio that was leaked to Colombian newscast CM& who published an article about the meeting on its website. The article and audio later disappeared from the news website. Venezuelan television station TeleSur does still have a copy of the audio made during the meeting.

In the audio, Uribe instructs Venezuelan opposition leader on how to deal with an upcoming visit to Caracas of current President Juan Manuel Santos.


More:
http://colombiareports.com/venezuela-opposition-leader-sued-in-colombia/

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Also first posted by Judi Lynn, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110817350

"Uribe denies meeting Capriles
posted by Adriaan Alsema
May 17, 2013

Colombia’s former President, Alvaro Uribe, says he never met Venezuelan opposition leader Henrique Capriles who was sued because both allegedly conspired to destabilize their governments’ relationship.

On his Twitter account, Uribe said he had never met Capriles, but would love to talk to him. Uribe’s claim was supported by Primero Colombia, a think tank run by Uribe’s adviser Jose Obdulio Gaviria.

The tweets followed the publication of news that a Colombian lawyer had included Capriles in a lawsuit against Uribe and Gaviria for their alleged attempts to disturb exports to Venezuela and plotting to discredit Uribe’s successor, current President Juan Manuel Santos.

According to the filed lawsuit, Capriles was one of the Venezuelan opposition politicians that met with Uribe and Gaviria in November 2011, preceding a visit of Santos to his then-counterpart, the late Hugo Chavez. Lawyer Aurelio Jimenez says Capriles, Uribe and Gaviria are guilty of endangering Colombia’s national integrity, conspiracy and obstruction of justice. Uribe faces additional charges of treason.

Colombia’s former president, an ideological opponent of the leftist Venezuelan government and its late President Hugo Chavez, has previously been accused by Venezuela of trying to meddle in domestic affairs."


http://colombiareports.com/uribe-denies-having-met-capriles/

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What we have here, in the corporate media toilet paper article, appears to be stage two of a two-stage attack on Venezuela's economy (and on Manuel Santos, president of Colombia, who made peace with Venezuela): Stage one: Uribe and Capriles meet and devise a plot to pressure Colombian and Venezuelan exporters and importers to disrupt Venezuela's economy, in order to destabilize the country (and also cause trouble for Santos, whom Uribe hates). Stage two: The Associated Pukes follow up with the destabilization headline about the toilet paper and other shortages--the latest in a long list of AP campaign ads against Chavez and Maduro parading as 'news' articles.

Uribe is a fascist who stated publicly that everyone who opposes him is a "terrorist." This included labor leaders, teachers, academics, students, opposing politicians, community activists, peasant farmers, journalists, prosecutors, judges, the lot. Likely with U.S. (Bush Junta) help, he was spying on everyone and using his spy agency, DAS, to draw up hit lists for assassination, death threats, blackmail and intimidation. Some one hundred of Uribe's closest associates, including family members, are under investigation or already in jail in Colombia for ties to the death squads, drug trafficking, illegal domestic spying and other crimes. The Bush Junta larded $7 BILLION on Colombia, during Uribe's tenure, for the U.S. "war on drugs," ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. boondoggle was made to order for consolidating the trillion+ dollar cocaine trade into fewer hands. I believe that that was what Uribe was using it for--to drive the smaller players out with murder, mayhem and displacement (FIVE MILLION peasant farmers brutally displaced from their farms during Uribe/Bush's "scorched earth" policy) while protecting his own criminal organization, all with U.S. support and massive funding.

Colombian prosecutors have not yet been able to nail Uribe, probably because he is under the protection of the CIA (probably because of what he knows about Bush Junta crimes in Colombia). There is a lot of "tip of the iceberg" evidence to this effect. This allows him to run around free--like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld--making trouble for Santos, plotting against Venezuela's leftist government, and plotting a return to power in Colombia, where he wants to re-start the 70 year Colombian civil war (excuse for murdering his opponents), and re-start plans for a U.S./Colombia war on Venezuela (should Venezuelans continue to elect leftists) when Jeb is Diebolded into the White House.

What this lawyer in Colombia is suing Uribe and Capriles for is quite believable. Capriles was/is clearly running a destabilization campaign in Venezuela, where Capriles' mobs murdered nine people and torched medical facilities and poor peoples' homes after Capriles lost the recent election. And Uribe hates Venezuela's leftist leaders as much as he hates Santos. Santos not only made peace with Venezuela's leftist government (on his first day in office!), he has started peace talks with the armed leftist guerrillas (the FARC) to end Colombia's civil war, and--probably his worst crime, in Uribe's eyes--he has called publicly for the legalization of all drugs and an end to the "war on drugs."

Legalization would seriously cut into Uribe's funding stream. His funders apparently don't want to go legit. And, if, as I've guessed (because Santos is also a rightwinger although of a different stripe than Uribe), Santos is fronting for a Big Pharma/Big Ag/Big Chem legalization scheme, those entities have the power and capital to sink non-cooperating drug lords. (Santos signed the "free trade for the rich" agreement with the U.S., so it's my guess that this is the deal: Big Pharma/Big Ag/Big Chem want to take over the huge market in herbal, recreational and addictive drugs, and monopolize it, though legalization. This may explain Santos' astonishing call for legalization. He may also want legalization in order to de-fund Uribe.)

Capriles seems to just want chaos--sufficient chaos with which to overthrow the Chavaz-Maduro government. Capriles' claims of election fraud have all along been absurd. Jimmy Carter called Venezuela's election system "the best in the world" and he knows what he's talking about. His Carter Center helped set-up Venezuela's election system and has monitored numerous elections there, as well as hundreds of elections around the world. I've also researched the details of Venezuela's election system, and it has very solid anti-fraud procedures. Further, ALL Latin American countries have endorsed Maduro's win, and most of the world has, except for the U.S., which seems to be still hoping for destabilization.

One point I want to stress here is the apparent COORDINATION between the alleged conspirators--Uribe and Capriles, on disrupting trade to harm both economies and governments--and the Associated Press. I have re-named AP the Associated Pukes because of their HORRIBLE, propagandistic coverage of the Chavez government. They are the worst of the worst. And Fabiola Sanchez--one of the two by-lines on this AP so-called news article--has done this sort of thing before--written AP hit pieces that echoed the latest rightwing "talking points" out of Venezuela (and probably originating in Langley).

What you are reading here, in this toilet paper article, is rightwing propaganda, trumpeted here at DU by rightwing posters--and apparently deriving from this plot by two traitors to their countries--Uribe and Capriles--two men who will do anything to gain power. Uribe has been associated with rightwing death squads, drug trafficking and other criminal activities from the beginning of his career. Capriles has a core of fascist coupmongers in his political coalition, and was thick with the coupsters during the 2002 coup attempt against the Chavez government in Venezuela.

Capriles is slimy and slippery like Uribe, and, like Uribe, no one's been able to nail him as yet. I hope that this Colombian lawyer, Aurelio Jimenez, is able to do so, but Capriles may be under U.S. protections similar to Uribe's. Jimenez is a brave man to try. I hope he has a good case and gets an honest and brave judge, and puts these two away. They are a menace to civilized society and to the people of Venezuela and Colombia--and they are a menace to us as well. Uribe wanted a war with Venezuela and tried his damnedest to start one. But the U.S. wasn't ready for that oil war, yet--so they put him on ice for a while, teaching law students at Harvard and Georgetown (yup--Obama did that, or rather Leon Panetta). That is where these "toilet paper" headlines are heading. It is part of the ten year barrage of hit pieces against Venezuela by AP and other corporate media--whether it's shortages, or blackouts, or inflation, or street crime, or bogeyman "dictators." Where have we heard this drumbeat before?

NOT prosecuting war criminals has consequences.
It's amazing the kind of pressure the elite corporate capitalists can put on a country fasttense May 2013 #1
This was self inflicted hack89 May 2013 #3
It is so indicative dotymed May 2013 #6
Well put. another_liberal May 2013 #8
Could you explain how 'oligarchic hegemony' made the toilet paper go away? msanthrope May 2013 #10
Sure msanthrope. dotymed May 2013 #13
Suppose that steaming stack of horseshit is true Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #40
Have some more kool-aid. dotymed May 2013 #90
If a government is so inept that it can't keep asses wiped Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #108
Funny how a criminal Fearless May 2013 #124
Yes, indeed. The government has touched bottom (pun intended) with this latest circumstance. MADem May 2013 #147
Heh, water wasn't even running in Caracas. joshcryer May 2013 #150
Oh, now you're a socialist? bitchkitty May 2013 #159
panic buying and the ensueing profit backwoodsbob May 2013 #167
This is one of the more deluded or misguided posts I've read in a long time. nt TeamPooka May 2013 #165
Yeah, delusional... Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #166
Hmm...see, what you say doesn't really add up. msanthrope May 2013 #70
IDK all that, but most paper goods manufacturing is owned by the Koch brothers, isn't it? freshwest May 2013 #84
Step 1. dotymed May 2013 #92
There are a few things in play here melm00se May 2013 #17
alternative treestar May 2013 #42
pages from the Sears catalog melm00se May 2013 #59
... but now that the catalog is online JustABozoOnThisBus May 2013 #89
Corn cobs. Jackpine Radical May 2013 #102
Interesting analysis, except that Venezuela's economy has been growing at 5+%... Peace Patriot May 2013 #62
5th in the world. But they having nothing to wipe their asses with (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #100
Thank you - I always bitchkitty May 2013 #114
With rampant inflation, declining oil production and a skyrocketing murder rate. hack89 May 2013 #117
The number for murder is probably higher. joshcryer May 2013 #143
Cost per barrel plummeted in the Bush Junta-induced worldwide depression, Peace Patriot Jun 2013 #174
Yet they have food shortages and declining oil revenue hack89 Jun 2013 #175
First off: I'm for nationalizing things. Here, elsewhere. Example, our oil industry vs. Norway's. freshwest May 2013 #171
Toilet paper and paper products are the Koch brothers biggest selling products people! xtraxritical May 2013 #32
The Vzla. Govt. is the ONLY entity allowed to IMPORT Into Vzla. the dictator controls everything. Bo May 2013 #82
Your post suggests that before dotymed May 2013 #93
See also dipsydoodle May 2013 #2
lol, excessive demand n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #5
"Excessive demand" = panic-driven hoarding Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #38
DING DING DING!! KamaAina May 2013 #43
I've heard that spam is really popular in Hawai'i Ash_F May 2013 #72
It dates back to World War II KamaAina May 2013 #74
So people came to like it through familiarity? Ash_F May 2013 #75
Actually, it's not KamaAina May 2013 #76
I suddenly have an unexpected hankering for spam Ash_F May 2013 #86
It's good with pineapple? redwitch May 2013 #103
I'll have you know, the "Hawaiian" pizza (ham and pineapple) is more popular in California KamaAina May 2013 #111
I'm from New Jersey. redwitch May 2013 #123
And you're right. KamaAina May 2013 #125
There was a month between the devaluation and wage increase. joshcryer May 2013 #136
The same media who has never had anything good to say about Hugo Chavez...eom Kolesar May 2013 #16
TP shortage in Venezuela = Bullet shortage in the U.S.? JustABozoOnThisBus May 2013 #88
There's something sulphurdunn May 2013 #4
sulphudunn, dipsydoodle informed us of the culprits. dotymed May 2013 #11
So much for freedom of the press, eh? rbixby May 2013 #33
'chavez had to shut them down' geek tragedy May 2013 #34
I complain about Eric Holder every chance I get. dotymed May 2013 #95
The have a toilet paper shortage? another_liberal May 2013 #7
But you've failed to explain how this is Obama's fault. nt msanthrope May 2013 #9
I have a couple of graduate diplomas they could have... KansDem May 2013 #12
Are you fucking kidding me? bitchkitty May 2013 #14
And the campaign to test the post Chavez government continues. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #15
Same old script, from Allende to Aristide Catherina May 2013 #28
yep, it always starts with limiting TP production and then the shit really hits the fan Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #29
oil for tp program will be required n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #18
Oh right, Maduro: "My political opponents are to blame!" Archae May 2013 #19
its the price controls they've imposed Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #21
Agreed. Archae May 2013 #23
its quite embarrasing since Venezuela has been a fairly developed country for decades Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #27
Maduro recently said that people will have to pay for their free houses. joshcryer May 2013 #141
Because leaders have never been assassinated, let alone by poison. WinkyDink May 2013 #24
Oh for Christ's sake... Archae May 2013 #25
I predicted he wouldn't serve out his term. This election was too close. I agree that pure..... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #77
It still doesn't mean he was "poisoned." Archae May 2013 #87
Agreed. nt Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #113
Quoting the head of the Venezuelan business federation dotymed May 2013 #96
Evenhanded? I guess that bitchkitty May 2013 #107
It does work, bitchkitty May 2013 #61
Pure socialism works? Archae May 2013 #63
Hmmm..Venezuela holds elections dotymed May 2013 #98
Except as we can see, Venezuela is not working. Archae May 2013 #106
One of these days the diehard Chavez defenders will... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #20
"communist or radical socialist" Warren Stupidity May 2013 #35
Who also nationalized their major industries... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #41
Now you'll be in trouble... Archae May 2013 #64
Wtf is this 'phanbois' you keep yammering on about? nt. polly7 May 2013 #65
The people who say Chavez and now Maduro can do no wrong. Archae May 2013 #66
I've never seen anyone say anything like that. You have quite an imagination, congrats. nt. polly7 May 2013 #67
I don't think people believe Maduro can do no wrong Ash_F May 2013 #73
They live in his pants, bitchkitty May 2013 #105
To many DUers, nationalizing major industries, declaring class warfare and destroying foreign trade Nye Bevan May 2013 #101
But, how many of them have to live there? n/t TreasonousBastard May 2013 #131
I know of at least one DUer who lives in an elite community in Latin America. joshcryer May 2013 #138
Oh do tell us more about this "elite community" oh teller of tales Catherina May 2013 #144
Hit a nerve I see. joshcryer May 2013 #145
Well, I read the links and it doesn't look good for you so far. Looks like slander to me, unless you idwiyo May 2013 #156
Actually, they were nationalized before Chavez came along. joshcryer May 2013 #142
Darn that George W. Bush and his army of toilet paper gremlins! Pterodactyl May 2013 #22
Their biggest problem is declining oil production hack89 May 2013 #26
"Propped up Cuba"? Does that roody May 2013 #161
All those things will disapear soon hack89 May 2013 #162
Despite holding power for well over a decade, the Chavistas are not geek tragedy May 2013 #30
the most basic of necessities? How elite of them CBGLuthier May 2013 #31
What a shock, a government the US hates having shortages. Amazing. Judi Lynn May 2013 #36
The shortage of toilet paper is a crap article and should be wiped out Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #37
Are the Chavistas responsible for any bad things that happen under geek tragedy May 2013 #44
+1 Blue_Tires May 2013 #160
I don't understand why some DUers loathe Venezuela so much. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #39
I don't understand why some DUers venerate the Venezuela Govt so much. brooklynite May 2013 #45
you know things are shitty when there is no toilet paper n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #47
Well, not so much glee as a reaction to the cult of Chavez geek tragedy May 2013 #46
It's not just Venezuela they loathe. polly7 May 2013 #49
Yes ma'am, their positions are very constant Catherina May 2013 #50
"hide it"? they brag about it. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #51
I love Venezuela. Its a beautiful country with wonderful people. Too bad the government Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #53
Venezuela was once a wonderful, wonderful place. nt Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #109
Back in the good old days. When they just killed uppity poor people. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #112
Yeah...at least now everyone gets killed. Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #115
Yep, now its just 30-100 per weekend in Caracas and 20,000 + murders per year Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #119
It's all those CIA hitmen sent by "TPTB" to destabilize Venezuela Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #120
now the chavistas are trying to blame Capriles and former Colombian president Uribe Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #126
The only thing more fragile than a box of puppies is the Venezuelan economy, apparently Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #127
Television. Ash_F May 2013 #83
As with many issues on DU... Marrah_G May 2013 #116
Most of the informed posters post in Latin America. joshcryer May 2013 #139
The stalinians, they break everything they touch. Nt. Sand Wind May 2013 #48
I've never been to Venezuela so I'm an expert about the country olddots May 2013 #52
Unnecessary wasteful item. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #54
Hope you are joking. RebelOne May 2013 #55
Not remotely. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #60
Price controls tend to result in shortages... Imajika May 2013 #56
Just like it was in the old Soviet Union... Archae May 2013 #58
Looks like the "Maduro can do no wrong!" phanbois are out in force. Archae May 2013 #57
you'd think with all those oil dollars coming in they'd be able to provide food and TP for Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #68
I guess Venezuelans are just shit out of luck mysuzuki2 May 2013 #69
Ironically, Maduro is an asswipe. Throd May 2013 #71
Looks like the "Make the economy scream" people are back in the saddle in DC again. leveymg May 2013 #78
"Back"? When did they ever really leave? Catherina May 2013 #80
It's Obama's Fault!!!!! Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #79
they could really learn from the USA ... marasinghe May 2013 #81
Said the poster with access to plenty of asswipe. nt Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #110
I'll just leave this here Ash_F May 2013 #85
90 replies for a TP shortage BainsBane May 2013 #91
Many are STILL wedded to the Cold War notion that Socialism=Communism... Cooley Hurd May 2013 #94
Not me. I'm wedded to the notion that authoritarian Govts are bad... brooklynite May 2013 #121
They should just borrow some from Cuba: Freddie Stubbs May 2013 #97
I blame the US. As if infecting Chavez with cancer was not enough, Nye Bevan May 2013 #99
ebay Venezuela sellers start your onsale cheap toilet paper engines! Sunlei May 2013 #104
TPTB: Toilet Paper Taking Bourgeoisie. They're behind everything Throd May 2013 #118
I would have thought this discussion would have completely unrolled by now brooklynite May 2013 #122
Why the sudden surge in demand? Democracyinkind May 2013 #128
Venezuelan food? Pterodactyl May 2013 #129
They devalued the currency by nearly 40%. joshcryer May 2013 #137
Use corporate newspapers daleo May 2013 #130
See the link below for one of the reasons. idwiyo May 2013 #132
Capriles and Uribe sued over plot to wreck Venezuela's trade with Colombia Peace Patriot May 2013 #133
Blaming the opposition there is like blaming the republicans here for our do nothing congress Exultant Democracy May 2013 #134
Agree 100%. That's why I am so shocked that some DUers openly support Venezuelan opposition. idwiyo May 2013 #135
Because the world isn't black and white. joshcryer May 2013 #140
Yet you behave like it is. Otherwise you wouldn't be advocating for RW coalition who are hell bent idwiyo May 2013 #148
Wrong, I do not believe Justice First is "right wing." joshcryer May 2013 #149
Capriles sounds progressive/left wing to me Socialistlemur May 2013 #151
I'll answer your post later. Can you please provide a link that supports your claim that Cuban idwiyo May 2013 #154
Chicken, too. The economy is a mess and the ruling regime has only themselves to blame. nt MADem May 2013 #146
I'm waiting for some deranged right winger to... Theyletmeeatcake2 May 2013 #152
Good one! Pterodactyl May 2013 #153
This toilet paper is a wonderful modern convenience Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #155
Yet they have had two presidents in a row claim to be for the poor Ter May 2013 #157
I thought Johnny Carson was dead, but his statement on the Toilet paper shortages I see lives on. happyslug May 2013 #158
Venezuela: Toilet Roll Stash Found Amid Crisis Judi Lynn May 2013 #163
How is 100k rolls of toilet paper going to help a country of 30 million? You ignored the math msanthrope May 2013 #164
It would be logical to think that this is ONE example, not the ONLY example Judi Lynn May 2013 #168
No--it wouldn't be logical at all. Why? Becasue you've assumed a premise wholly without msanthrope May 2013 #169
Maybe use TP as their currency since its actually worth something Bacchus4.0 May 2013 #170
TP is so bourgeois Zorro Jun 2013 #173
Perhaps their Iranian friends can teach them the old "eat with the right, wipe with the left" 24601 May 2013 #172
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