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muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
5. As caseymoz says, population changes
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jan 2012

As well as a growing population, an ageing one, with more time spent in retirement (but maybe needing more spent on healthcare) will need a larger economy to support everyone at the level they're at now. Modern economies have evolved to expect, and depend on, growth to fulfill past promises and loans. It'd be possible to redirect a nation, or the world, to zero growth or maybe even contraction over a long period (contraction of physical resources used would be a good thing, for instance), if there was the political will and control, but the present system (interest-bearing loans and so on) is built on the expectation of growth.

You'd expect some economic growth through innovation, as well; zero growth would indicate no ability to improve on old methods or designs, which would indicate a society vulnerable to unforeseen changes.

I've never really fully understood dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #1
First, we have a growing population. caseymoz Jan 2012 #2
All good points dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #3
Replacement, to me, is not really growth. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #6
Not growth? So what happens to the items replaced? caseymoz Jan 2012 #13
You are making my point. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #18
It doesn't matter if I made your point. caseymoz Jan 2012 #29
As caseymoz says, population changes muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #5
"an ageing one, with more time spent in retirement" dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #8
Profits to Skim Demeter Jan 2012 #7
Every institution we've built requires it The2ndWheel Jan 2012 #10
capitalism is based on the need for growth. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #11
because the financial system is based on leverage magical thyme Jan 2012 #12
All the replies so far are spot-on. They also make the future look pretty bleak NickB79 Jan 2012 #21
As serious as this is, no news here. caseymoz Jan 2012 #4
Actually, it isn't so much the EU that has to do something about the crisis. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #9
Something I've never heard mentioned yet: caseymoz Jan 2012 #14
Yes. Schwarzenegger loved issuing bonds. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #15
Also in the interest of the wealthy to buy public assets now privatized as part of austerity suffragette Jan 2012 #20
Yes have government sell off assets to pay bonds caseymoz Jan 2012 #23
Please let me know so I can participate in that discussion suffragette Jan 2012 #25
It's up. caseymoz Jan 2012 #28
Your opinion carla Jan 2012 #17
Eurozone crisis malarky? caseymoz Jan 2012 #26
Scaremongering and currency manipulation, carla Jan 2012 #16
BBC complicity? Guardian, AFP, euronews, and ... Press TV? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #19
And when they all carla Jan 2012 #24
Why wouldn't the European Union be the propaganda caseymoz Jan 2012 #27
When in doubt, role out the Battleship Potemkin tactic. It never gets old. Vidar Jan 2012 #22
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