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primavera

(5,191 posts)
17. Well, I was mostly speaking generally
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:37 PM
Dec 2012

There are an awful lot of important issues that never receive judicial review - and thus never contribute to the body of jurisprudence - because the cost of bringing legal action is prohibitively high.

In the instant case, I would have liked to have seen the issues fleshed out more. I'm not sure, but I don't think I share your belief that this is necessarily a freedom of speech issue, although I do admit that I think that we Americans in general, and the ACLU in particular, can sometimes go a bit overboard on the sanctity of free speech. Hate speech, for example, or incitement to violence, are forms of speech that I do not believe should be protected. But setting that aside for the moment, I think there's a really interesting question here of the extent to which academic institutions and professional associations need to be deferential to persons who refuse to practice their professions on religious/moral grounds. The analogy that springs to my mind is Catholic pharmacists refusing to dispense birth control pills. Certainly, I understand that Catholics may have religious convictions that cause them to perceive contraception as sinful, and that's great, more power to them, they should not be required to use contraception. But the necessary function of a pharmacist is to dispense those medications that a physician and his/her patient determine are appropriate for the patient's health and well being. If your religious beliefs prevent you from fulfilling that function, terrific, no one's forcing you to practice that profession. But is it appropriate to voluntarily enter into a profession and then refuse to perform its duties because of your religious beliefs? To me, this seems analogous to the incident described in the article. The student is not merely expressing a personal opinion about homosexuality, which certainly would be an expression of free speech. Rather, she's refusing to fulfill the requirements of a degree and a profession, but still demanding that the university award her the degree despite her refusal to fulfill its requirements. That seems very different to me than merely expressing a personal opinion.

What a crock dballance Dec 2012 #1
When I applied to the counseling program I was specifically asked if I had a problem treating LGBT. Happyhippychick Dec 2012 #2
This looks like a cop-out on the school's part. It likely just didn't want to pay for a full trial. Selatius Dec 2012 #3
I'm Going To Have To Differ RobinA Dec 2012 #4
Here's the problem Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #5
So... RobinA Dec 2012 #14
Again, Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #18
If she does refuse to treat gay patients as a student... Politicub Dec 2012 #20
how easy is it to get a degree to be a therapist? Skittles Dec 2012 #28
Then I John2 Dec 2012 #8
Yes RobinA Dec 2012 #13
Ethically, she needs to reveal her anti-gay bias so her clients can make their own decisions Politicub Dec 2012 #19
I don't John2 Dec 2012 #6
A settlement that leaves the rules intact isn't a 'win'. sinkingfeeling Dec 2012 #7
Oh the irony........... Marrah_G Dec 2012 #9
I wish the university could have held out primavera Dec 2012 #10
What Precedent Do You Wish to Set? RobinA Dec 2012 #15
Well, I was mostly speaking generally primavera Dec 2012 #17
Personally I Do Not RobinA Dec 2012 #23
VERY thoughtful post, thank you! primavera Dec 2012 #25
Do You Support these students and their unpopular thoughts? CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #27
She might as well find a new career Tempest Dec 2012 #11
There Are Whole RobinA Dec 2012 #16
Then that is where she should have been seeking her degree. nt Sivafae Dec 2012 #21
Last I heard counseling by religious organizations are being cut Tempest Dec 2012 #29
What is missing is what the plaintiff has been doing since ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #12
EMU to pay $75,000 to counseling student Julea Ward who refused to counsel gay client struggle4progress Dec 2012 #22
While ACA Rule of Ethics 5C mentions "sexual orientation" but A.11.b is controlling happyslug Dec 2012 #24
Oh, the irony: student expelled for expelling. nt Trillo Dec 2012 #26
Geez... Rhiannon12866 Dec 2012 #30
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