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John2

(2,730 posts)
26. I think
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 08:53 AM
Dec 2012

people believe Democracy is created in a vacuum and one of the biggest reasons I disagreed with George W. Bush's and now President Obama's apparent notion, that you can force Democracy on a region, with cultural and religious ties, which flourished for Centuries.

Even the U.S. Constitution in its present state was not created in a vacuum. People fought and died for the current freedoms, they have in the Constitution and still are fighting for more rights. Every time people refer to our original founders of the Constitution act like events like the Civil War and Civil Rights movement never happened in U.S. History. Our own Constitution changed after the deaths of over 600,000 Americans. To think this will happen in Egypt or anywhere else in the Old World in a vacum, is illogical. Even Europe went through centuries, to get where they are on Human Rights. So the U.S. needs to just let nature take its course and not think they are God. We can only encourage change and let them settle their own affairs. That is just the way it is.

How about if we let Egptians vote on it Dec. 15? allrevvedup Dec 2012 #1
sometimes a simple majority isn't enough Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #3
That may be true, but tell that to the Supreme Ct with all its 5-4s, and the 2000 election came leveymg Dec 2012 #4
Yes. n/t allrevvedup Dec 2012 #6
election by simple majority is fine Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #7
The "secular revolutionaries who sparked the arab spring" allrevvedup Dec 2012 #20
Utterly ridiculous and false n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #27
I wouldn't call a church bombing with 21 fatalities ridiculous. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #28
No reason to bring up facts. zellie Dec 2012 #29
And it is for this reason burnsei sensei Dec 2012 #25
It's pure shit-stirring at this point. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #5
Obama has not taken it upon himself to rewrite our Constitution. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #15
He didn't need to. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #17
I'm with you njcamden_25884 Dec 2012 #9
Thanks njcamden, allrevvedup Dec 2012 #12
Majority of Egyptians support chopping off the hand of a thief in recent poll. wellspring Dec 2012 #10
No poll on your first link, and I stopped reading the NBC story allrevvedup Dec 2012 #11
The poll is from a few months ago. Sorry, no link. wellspring Dec 2012 #13
Right, Pew, the outfit that claimed Obama's support allrevvedup Dec 2012 #14
Pew is a widely respected polling firm. It does not have a conservative bias. pampango Dec 2012 #18
Fine, it's respected. And I've personally heard the president lie his ass off allrevvedup Dec 2012 #19
Well John2 Dec 2012 #23
Oh, people change their constitutions by simple majority vote in most democracies? FarrenH Dec 2012 #21
I think John2 Dec 2012 #26
Secular governance, not theocracy, is the best future for the world. freshwest Dec 2012 #2
and for egypt. spot on. Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #8
We can only hope LeftInTX Dec 2012 #16
Why is anyone surprised? zellie Dec 2012 #22
+1 burnsei sensei Dec 2012 #24
A real-time example of religion fucking up society... snooper2 Dec 2012 #30
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