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sally5050

(151 posts)
19. This Manning Trial is PURE Military Kangaroo Court at it's heart, the details are of no Consequence
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:18 PM
Dec 2012

Kangaroo Court = a mock court in which the principles of law and justice are disregarded or perverted.

This is what the Bradley Manning trial is at it's heart, a Miltary Kangaroo court. They are using this man's valuable life time, and delaying a further month of his right to justice, for the Army to selfishly figure out how better to administer torture without the world reacting quite so badly. This is a disgusting global window into the blackest of America's soul and her need to demonstrate without apology, how badly america has become a military dictatorship with no citizen oversight in matters of great concern such as US citizen safety at the hands of her military.

I sat personally in the trial against the first Iraq conscientious objector, Sgt. Kevin Benderman. That too was a very obvious kangaroo court. The judge (a female) knew from square one what her job was, to guide the trial to a conclusion so they could give him the pre-determined 15 months in jail for doing what his commanding officer told him and going home instead of boarding the plane after he made it clear he'd do any other job duty for the military including training in Iraq if he didn't have to go back into combat. The judge "Col. Donna M. Wright" many times in the trial scolded her own Army lawyers for being unprepared, stupid and downright idiotic. Even with all the missing information and lack of true evidence to convict Sgt. Benderman he got the same amount of months that would have been his tour in Iraq, so that 15 months was determined at the outset to show other army folks thinking of being conscientious objectors that they will be severely punished rather than the Army taking that trial as wonderful new time to allow folks who have objections to killing little Iraqi girls (which was Kevin's 2nd tour objection, he just couldn't handle being on a vehicle where his other sgt.s' were gunning down iraqi children or being asked himself to do the deed.) Other militaries around the world have a very proactive way for soldiers to participate (Be trainers, cooks, medical or military police) instead of fighting, but apparently not the US. I send you this link so you can see the very real pain of Benderman's wife on hearing that she would have to live without her husband for 15 months, for a really silly reason for his incarceration. They knew Benderman's trial had to be a 'symbol to other officers who would act that way.'



But at least in Benderman's situation, the jail experience was not torture.

When we engage in the detailed analysis of "Did Manning complain about his torture" or "Could the torture of have been a nicer version of torture or was the torture 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 or was it a 45" .. we are condoning the very serious lack of habeus corpus, we are supporting the detention of US citizens without a trial and worse, we are condoning military courts which are known for their much more harsh and lack of evidence or judicial based reasoning as Seen in the Benderman trial, the judge all but got up and smacked her own attorneys because they made it clear that she as a judge would rule 15 months without sufficient evidence or a sufficient argument against Benderman. I remember the consternation on Col. Donna Wright's face when administering the sentence. This one woman knew she was the abiter of a kangaroo court.

I wish the discussion would be about how the US Citizens can lobby the White House, Obama, Biden, Hillary Clinton to give this poor boy leniency and drop all future time served because he has suffered enough and lobby them to ask their military arm to get a fucking grip and stop torturing US citizens or run the risk of losing funding. If there is no punishment to our military for such egregious failures the same ole generals and same old white male ignorant structure of leadership will do the exact same thing next time ... only next time it may be YOU who is in that 6 x 8 cell because of a facebook post, or because of a link on youtube or whatever.

No more 'but manning didn't complain." I would have done the same thing as Manning, I'd have been super nice to the guards and everyone in hopes that got me less torture and out of jail sooner. His reaction to the torture should not be one IOTA of the evidence of whether it was torture and severe or not.. we need merely look at what acts were conducted against Manning to know the detailed level of humiliation this poor boy was subjected to. Instead, Poor manning is being held yet another month of his valuable life, while the Army throws up on itself and dissects the contents of the putrid disgusting history of this fucking sordid Fucking American fucking embarrassment of cruel and inhuman treatment of one of its citizens.

Folks should be ashamed for even discussing that man's life without having deep reverence for his stalwart intelligence, resilience and brave handling of his own very painful life choices..

I am proud of Bradley manning, I am proud he's a gay man, I am proud he is an American citizen and I for one, believe he has served all the time necessary, and deserves to be set free of his time behind bars. Do what you do when folks hack the pentagon or banks, give him an ankle bracelet (or better yet just let him go entirely free) but by all means, the 'example to other soldiers' has been CLEARLLY made in the last 900 days of inhumane and humiliating treatment. I don't know any other soldiers who would risk releasing sensitive information at the risk of having this hell that manning has suffered.

LET MANNING GO HOME FOR GOD'S sake and for the folks on this thread.. stop dissecting the army's throw up!


I am somewhat confused by this. grantcart Dec 2012 #1
this is pre-trial hearing stuff, which lays groundwork for the trial struggle4progress Dec 2012 #2
Yes, you seem to be missing a lot of something. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #3
That's not what Manning's lawyer describes as a 'typical day' for his client--- msanthrope Dec 2012 #7
Is there any difference between that and solitary, in the legal sense? Solitary is punishment. freshwest Dec 2012 #9
I want to direct you to my post number 15... msanthrope Dec 2012 #16
Your selective and abusive use of facts is noted. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #13
Nonsense...Manning's lawyer is far more believable on this issue than msanthrope Dec 2012 #15
Thanks for referring me to this reply. Was he given psychological counseling on the suicide issue? freshwest Dec 2012 #17
No I got that. grantcart Dec 2012 #22
This phrase in the article '...has effectively admitted...' freshwest Dec 2012 #4
I believe that is a reference to the fact that the defense has requested (and has been granted) struggle4progress Dec 2012 #5
Wow. Thanks, s4p. I wonder if military folks would chime in on how *bad* his actions were. freshwest Dec 2012 #6
Many have argued that leaking US's war crimes is actually required snot Dec 2012 #8
That argument might carry a lot more weight if he were being tried in an international court hughee99 Dec 2012 #18
Constitution>treaties>Federal law>state law Ash_F Dec 2012 #21
Over In The Badlands USMCMustang Dec 2012 #10
I hope the courts throw out the case because of how they treated him. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #11
Don't hold your breath. n/t Angleae Dec 2012 #12
It's not in the courts. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #14
This Manning Trial is PURE Military Kangaroo Court at it's heart, the details are of no Consequence sally5050 Dec 2012 #19
He's been punished enough for his rule breaking. Give him a bad discharge and VA healthcare. Sunlei Dec 2012 #20
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