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AlexSatan

(535 posts)
27. Sorry but your source lost me in the abstract
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:28 PM
Nov 2012

"It can now no longer be denied that the incidence of ASD is alarmingly on the rise in the U.S. [6]."

And what did their source really say?
http://dspace.library.drexel.edu/bitstream/1860/2632/1/2006175339.pdf

"Nonetheless, the question of whether this historical increase can be fully accounted for by these and other changes in diagnosis and classification remains open to debate,"

With that "mistake" in conclusions, the integrity of their methodology and conclusions is completely compromised. If I have been reviewing that paper submission, I would have destroyed it and certainly not accepted it.

The abstract foes on to say:
"We propose that children with the autism diagnosis are especially vulnerable to toxic metals such as
aluminum and mercury due to insufficient serum sulfate and glutathione." They later point out that "The cover page emphasizes that the data report only an association rather than a confirmed causal relationship."

They also claim "A strong correlation between autism and the MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccine is also
observed, which may be partially explained via an increased sensitivity to acetaminophen
administered to control fever."
However they later caveat it with "We have not examined the records in detail to determine what percentage had autism before receiving the vaccine, and, in fact, in many cases this information is not available from the VAERS record, which may simply list autism as a feature....
If the MMR vaccine is administered simultaneously with DTaP, an aluminum-containing vaccine (as is often the case), then the acetaminophen would likely interfere with the child’s ability to dispose of the aluminum."

Again, not a causal effect.

That source also said
"The prevalence of autistic disorder among siblings of individuals with autistic disorder ranges from 2% to 6% (6), with estimates as high as 14% for siblings of females with autistic disorder (138). Even at the lower end of this range, prevalence in siblings is many times higher than is contemporaneous population prevalence estimates, providing additional support for the heritability of autism.
Family studies have also shown that ?20% of siblings of probands with autistic disorder may have more subtle variants of the core features of ASDs such as aloofness, lack of tact, limited friendships, poor pragmatic and reciprocal language, and preference for predictable routine, which are collectively referred to as the broad autism phenotype (129)."

This matches what I have seen anecdotally. I can clearly see ASD traits in the parents of the Aspys we know, even though they have no diagnosis. When my son was diagnosed I received the news. However, they apparently were concerned about my response , or lack therefof ("OK, thanks for the diagnosis, I'll research it further to see what the best way to deal with and mitigate the effects are"--no wailing or gnashing of teeth) and had a home visit to discusses it with my wife as well. There, the confided that they suspected I was also on the spectrum (we both agree) since most parents have emotional reactions.

I appreciate your civility in your response but the data simply do not support a causal relationship. We have been using acetaminophen for almost 100 years and although the occurrence of aluminum and aluminum hydroxide has risen over the past century there is no strong evidence the incidence of ASD has been rising.

Oversight panel plans November 29 autism hearing proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #1
ESSENTIAL FOLLOW-UP READING: Landmark Autism Hearing proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #54
Ha. Darrell must have given up on impeachment. But I saw Burton's hearing IIRC, 10 years ago on freshwest Dec 2012 #71
ESSENTIAL TESTIMONY here: proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #70
There's mercury in vaccines? First I've heard that. Why? Even in flu shots? nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #2
Not any more. Honest_Abe Nov 2012 #3
And BTW, Burton is a general all-around fool. NM Honest_Abe Nov 2012 #4
Pfft. Tune in. Listen for analysis/assessments by really smart parents and look for their consensus. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #10
So well stated, my goodness, Tumbulu Nov 2012 #13
"credentials" and "trustworthy" have no bearing on science. X_Digger Nov 2012 #55
Each has an uncorruptible personal commitment to trying to get it right in vetting the science, IMO proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #61
Their 'personal commitment' to whatever has no bearing on science, either. X_Digger Nov 2012 #63
There was and is mercury in vaccines. sense Dec 2012 #76
No fraud, and mercury was never present in the mmr. barbaraj Dec 2012 #97
POPCORN, anyone??? elleng Nov 2012 #5
Safeminds + Elizabeth Birt Center for Autism Law and Advocacy announcement. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #6
WARNING to DUers, all of the links in that are woo-shit. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #8
Fuck the Anti-Vax idiots like this one. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #7
I for one thank Burton KT2000 Nov 2012 #9
Entertaining discredited theories harms more than it helps. Feron Nov 2012 #12
Being knee jerk pro anything Tumbulu Nov 2012 #14
I can accept that you are happy KT2000 Nov 2012 #17
My life was never "stolen" from me. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #18
Not you of course KT2000 Nov 2012 #31
one of the latest hypothesis is that its due to the age of the parents Mosby Nov 2012 #41
one study that came out recently KT2000 Nov 2012 #42
We figured out years ago vaccines weren't the problem NickB79 Dec 2012 #73
You might be missing a point KT2000 Dec 2012 #74
20 hearings proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #57
Not this shit again. (nt) harmonicon Nov 2012 #11
so much that doesn't add up UpInArms Nov 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou Nov 2012 #16
Don't pick a narrow point to ridicule when the valid concerns are much broader than you state. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou Nov 2012 #29
A-hem. You're not up to speed on the topic. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou Nov 2012 #34
Is Burton really concerned about autism...or is this more about ending public school vaccinations Ken Burch Nov 2012 #19
Personal -- I believe either a grandkid or his out-of-wedlock-kid is austic. Myrina Nov 2012 #62
Thanks for the background. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #65
Don't recall. I try not to pay attention to Burton ... Myrina Nov 2012 #66
Hearing to be broadcast live online: link. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #20
He's completely right AlexSatan Nov 2012 #21
I fully respect your right to have a different viewpoint and please let's not make this personal. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #24
Sorry but your source lost me in the abstract AlexSatan Nov 2012 #27
MY source, really? That's your take-away of a study from MIT? Read about it or don't - up to you. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #32
I saw her listed articles AlexSatan Nov 2012 #36
Thank you for taking the time to critique what you have convincingly portrayed as a potentially flaw proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #44
Love the weasel words TrogL Nov 2012 #38
Yep! (nt) AlexSatan Nov 2012 #40
Kindly name the study you are referencing, and what you think it proves, please? msanthrope Nov 2012 #28
Please see post #32. You're entitled to your views. n/t proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #35
Yes, but autism bloggers aren't entitled to their own facts. Kindly tell us what study you msanthrope Nov 2012 #43
"He's completely right unless you look at goofy things like facts, science and common sense." proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #46
Ginger Taylor? The Gold Salts cures autism woman? Jeebus. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #47
Prove it. I think you just made that up. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #48
Take a look at her postings at Breitbart--yes, Breitbart and on her blog about "gold salts" msanthrope Nov 2012 #49
You read Breitbart? I associate the name with unethical dirty tricks. Scary. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #51
Your source posts at Brietbart. So "unethical dirty tricks" seem about right for Ms. Taylor. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #68
Publicity, shrug? Reminds me, did you notice ANY mainstream media reporting on the hearing? I didn't proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #69
"compilation?" That's the most interesting misspelling of "cherrypicking" I've seen in ages. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #80
I's a matter OF EVIDENCE alarimer Dec 2012 #82
Here's an brief update for you courtesy of 4 of the field's leading experts. proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #88
"Watermelon Dan" thinks he can get AIDS from soup. He also thinks Vince Foster was murdered. msanthrope Nov 2012 #23
And yet, Chairman Darryl Issa is being given credit here for conducting the hearing. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #25
Darrell Issa? The arsonist car thief who is also a climate change denier? msanthrope Nov 2012 #26
UPDATE: http://www.c-span.org/Events/Lawmakers-Look-into-Federal-Response-to-Rising-Rates-of-Autis proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #30
"These people will live to be 60 or 70 years old, and will be a burden... on society itself." KamaAina Nov 2012 #37
I'm 57, make a shitload of money, volunteer and pay taxes TrogL Nov 2012 #39
If you read AoA, you'd learn about families stuggling with nonverbal, devastatingly ill children. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #45
I wish I'd had the kind of help you're describing earlier TrogL Nov 2012 #52
Your version of "fight for these children" is to promote woo. TrogL Nov 2012 #56
Promote woo? Absolutely not me, you're jumping to false conclusions. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #59
Bob sears? OMFG! ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2012 #92
It is imperative you grab a copy of Nov 2012 issue of PEDIATRICS by American Academy of Pediatrics. proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #95
Dr. Jerry Kartzinel: American Academy of Pediatrics is Gearing Up For War Against Autism! proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #99
Nonverbal does NOT equal "devastatingly ill". KamaAina Nov 2012 #60
Ok, I stand corrected. Your friends? I'm happy to hear about their successes, it chokes me up. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #64
And do you bang your head incessantly and repeat things over and over? oh reiki ur so fine Dec 2012 #72
+ Infinity! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #58
MUST SEE: proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #50
Ok...here's one group... Archae Nov 2012 #53
All, none? Always, never? Absolutes, really? Maybe it's 'some sometimes.' proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #78
Look at the graphic recommended in post #69 and the slide in #70 citing prevalence by year (slide 5) proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #79
Replacement link. proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #81
Autism's First Child loyalsister Dec 2012 #67
This. Sivafae Dec 2012 #75
VERY WELL SAID! loyalsister Dec 2012 #77
theoretically that would be nice KT2000 Dec 2012 #84
You are wrong KatyMan Dec 2012 #85
Family support KT2000 Dec 2012 #87
I suppose my issue is that KatyMan Dec 2012 #89
Good riddance to bad, unscientific rubbish. alarimer Dec 2012 #83
Moderate your views to reflect more currently up-to-date nuanced thinking. proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #86
Related videos. proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #90
Rep. Cummings: ""I wish you could see the people behind you. There are grown men crying behind you." proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #91
Time for an ignore. ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2012 #93
Not a single one, sir, as time will demonstrate. proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #94
I've been following this issue barbaraj Dec 2012 #96
Informed response to Forbes blog coverage of hearing. proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #98
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