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In reply to the discussion: Alabama Supreme Court Rules That Frozen Embryos Are 'Children' [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(102,098 posts)48. The reliance on types of Christianity in the ruling is worse than the Huff Post report says
Alabama Supreme Court rules frozen embryos are children, cites the Bible in opinion
When the People of Alabama adopted (the sanctity of life provision of the state constitution), they did not use the term inviolability, with its secular connotations, but rather they chose the term sanctity, with all of its connotations, Parker wrote. This kind of acceptance is not foreign to our Constitution, which in its preamble invok[es] the favor and guidance of Almighty God, and which declares that all men are endowed [with life] by their Creator. The Alabama Constitutions recognition that human life is an endowment from God emphasizes a foundational principle of English common law, which has been expressly incorporated as part of the law of Alabama.
Parker then went on to cite two overtly Christian texts Theology Today and Manhattan Declaration: The Call of Christian Conscience to help define the phrase sanctity of life and argue that life begins at conception because, all human beings bear Gods image from the moment of conception.
From there, Parker went on to quote the Bible and another theological text that explained, in his words, the significance of mans creation in Gods image.
Justice Greg Cook, the courts lone dissenter, avoided the biblical arguments and instead focused on the laws as written, noting that nothing in the wrongful death act or Alabama law has defined an embryo as a child. Such a definition would be necessary to reach the courts opinion, and it would need to be reached with legal arguments, not biblical ones.
https://www.alreporter.com/2024/02/19/alabama-supreme-court-rules-frozen-embryos-are-children-cites-the-bible-in-opinion/
When the People of Alabama adopted (the sanctity of life provision of the state constitution), they did not use the term inviolability, with its secular connotations, but rather they chose the term sanctity, with all of its connotations, Parker wrote. This kind of acceptance is not foreign to our Constitution, which in its preamble invok[es] the favor and guidance of Almighty God, and which declares that all men are endowed [with life] by their Creator. The Alabama Constitutions recognition that human life is an endowment from God emphasizes a foundational principle of English common law, which has been expressly incorporated as part of the law of Alabama.
Parker then went on to cite two overtly Christian texts Theology Today and Manhattan Declaration: The Call of Christian Conscience to help define the phrase sanctity of life and argue that life begins at conception because, all human beings bear Gods image from the moment of conception.
From there, Parker went on to quote the Bible and another theological text that explained, in his words, the significance of mans creation in Gods image.
Justice Greg Cook, the courts lone dissenter, avoided the biblical arguments and instead focused on the laws as written, noting that nothing in the wrongful death act or Alabama law has defined an embryo as a child. Such a definition would be necessary to reach the courts opinion, and it would need to be reached with legal arguments, not biblical ones.
https://www.alreporter.com/2024/02/19/alabama-supreme-court-rules-frozen-embryos-are-children-cites-the-bible-in-opinion/
"The Manhattan Declaration" is an infamous right-wing "declaration" that was done to oppose LGBT rights, abortion, stem cell research and so on. This is like citing a Republican manifesto in a decision.
Some religious leaders have criticized and protested the Manhattan Declaration, calling its principles in general, and its opposition to same-sex marriage in particular, contrary to the teachings of Jesus.[15][16][17] Catholic scholar Anthony Stevens-Arroyo wrote, "While two wars are being waged, with unemployment in double digits, the financial system of the world in suspense, these religious leaders declare that abortion, stem-cell use and same sex marriage override any other Gospel value. (You won't find Jesus saying anything about abortion or stem cells in the Gospel, but the Savior said a great deal about the homeless, the sick, and the hungry.) It's cheating to speak pious platitudes about Christianity and ignore Jesus' words."[18]
Some discussed the document as a political strategy, regarding it as the religious right's effort to re-establish its relevance in the public square,[19][20] but others noted that younger generations of evangelicals and Catholics were less likely to oppose same-sex marriage and more likely to prioritize economic issues over social, and that the document was thus unlikely to win them over.[20][21] Stevens-Arroyo criticized fellow Catholics who signed the declaration for aligning themselves with evangelicals in what he described as opposition to the separation of church and state.[22]
The declaration's invocation of Martin Luther King and of the principles of civil disobedience has also been questioned.[23][24] An editorial in the Los Angeles Times characterized the invocation of King as "specious" and criticized the document, belittling the "anecdotes" regarding restrictions on Christians' religious freedom as "of the sort radio talk-show hosts purvey" or from outside the United States, and noting that federal law already exempts "believers in some cases from having to comply with applicable laws."[25]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Declaration:_A_Call_of_Christian_Conscience#Criticism
Some discussed the document as a political strategy, regarding it as the religious right's effort to re-establish its relevance in the public square,[19][20] but others noted that younger generations of evangelicals and Catholics were less likely to oppose same-sex marriage and more likely to prioritize economic issues over social, and that the document was thus unlikely to win them over.[20][21] Stevens-Arroyo criticized fellow Catholics who signed the declaration for aligning themselves with evangelicals in what he described as opposition to the separation of church and state.[22]
The declaration's invocation of Martin Luther King and of the principles of civil disobedience has also been questioned.[23][24] An editorial in the Los Angeles Times characterized the invocation of King as "specious" and criticized the document, belittling the "anecdotes" regarding restrictions on Christians' religious freedom as "of the sort radio talk-show hosts purvey" or from outside the United States, and noting that federal law already exempts "believers in some cases from having to comply with applicable laws."[25]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Declaration:_A_Call_of_Christian_Conscience#Criticism
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So, then by the "logic" of the AL Supreme Court, if a freezer holding frozen embryos
no_hypocrisy
Feb 2024
#1
The entire Gulf Coast is clusterfuck sponsored by the Republican clowns of the apocalypse.
Magoo48
Feb 2024
#34
Should spawn an embryo tax-deduction Trust Fund, IRA, Social Security, Stim Check scheme
bucolic_frolic
Feb 2024
#3
Deductions for college savings accounts - perhaps the state will kick in some matching funds
EYESORE 9001
Feb 2024
#4
Every "child/embryo" should count in the census for the state they are located
BumRushDaShow
Feb 2024
#5
so if they place that keeps them frozen loses power and the embryos are not longer viable...
Javaman
Feb 2024
#7
"After a divorce, does an ex-spouse have the right to the embryos and collect child support"
BumRushDaShow
Feb 2024
#12
For the purpose of this discussion is the embryo and egg or a fertilized egg in the true biological sense?
usaf-vet
Feb 2024
#29
Small towns could now afford zoos of their own. Or have a traveling zoo in a box!
Wonder Why
Feb 2024
#32
An accident. They thought it was where the staff kept the ice cream containers and they wanted some butter pecan.
Wonder Why
Feb 2024
#33
What about the millions of sperm spilled daily by each man in AL? I could go much further on "wasted" sperm.
keopeli
Feb 2024
#25
So the buildings on fire, you can only save one. Live little baby lying in a crib or a box holding a hundred embryos.
OverBurn
Feb 2024
#38
Alabama Constitution Section 36.06, which argues that each person was made in God's image
pfitz59
Feb 2024
#42
Yeah; the judge implied the "image of God" stuff from one use of "Almighty God" in the preamble
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2024
#52
The reliance on types of Christianity in the ruling is worse than the Huff Post report says
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2024
#48