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muriel_volestrangler

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48. The reliance on types of Christianity in the ruling is worse than the Huff Post report says
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 05:38 AM
Feb 2024
Alabama Supreme Court rules frozen embryos are children, cites the Bible in opinion

“When the People of Alabama adopted (the ‘sanctity of life’ provision of the state constitution), they did not use the term ‘inviolability,’ with its secular connotations, but rather they chose the term ‘sanctity,’ with all of its connotations,” Parker wrote. “This kind of acceptance is not foreign to our Constitution, which in its preamble ‘invok[es] the favor and guidance of Almighty God,’ … and which declares that ‘all men … are endowed [with life] by their Creator.’ The Alabama Constitution’s recognition that human life is an endowment from God emphasizes a foundational principle of English common law, which has been expressly incorporated as part of the law of Alabama.”

Parker then went on to cite two overtly Christian texts – “Theology Today” and “Manhattan Declaration: The Call of Christian Conscience” – to help define the phrase “sanctity of life” and argue that life begins at conception because, “all human beings bear God’s image from the moment of conception.”

From there, Parker went on to quote the Bible and another theological text that explained, in his words, “the significance of man’s creation in God’s image.”

Justice Greg Cook, the court’s lone dissenter, avoided the biblical arguments and instead focused on the laws as written, noting that nothing in the “wrongful death act” or Alabama law has defined an embryo as a “child.” Such a definition would be necessary to reach the court’s opinion, and it would need to be reached with legal arguments, not biblical ones.

https://www.alreporter.com/2024/02/19/alabama-supreme-court-rules-frozen-embryos-are-children-cites-the-bible-in-opinion/

"The Manhattan Declaration" is an infamous right-wing "declaration" that was done to oppose LGBT rights, abortion, stem cell research and so on. This is like citing a Republican manifesto in a decision.

Some religious leaders have criticized and protested the Manhattan Declaration, calling its principles in general, and its opposition to same-sex marriage in particular, contrary to the teachings of Jesus.[15][16][17] Catholic scholar Anthony Stevens-Arroyo wrote, "While two wars are being waged, with unemployment in double digits, the financial system of the world in suspense, these religious leaders declare that abortion, stem-cell use and same sex marriage override any other Gospel value. (You won't find Jesus saying anything about abortion or stem cells in the Gospel, but the Savior said a great deal about the homeless, the sick, and the hungry.) It's cheating to speak pious platitudes about Christianity and ignore Jesus' words."[18]

Some discussed the document as a political strategy, regarding it as the religious right's effort to re-establish its relevance in the public square,[19][20] but others noted that younger generations of evangelicals and Catholics were less likely to oppose same-sex marriage and more likely to prioritize economic issues over social, and that the document was thus unlikely to win them over.[20][21] Stevens-Arroyo criticized fellow Catholics who signed the declaration for aligning themselves with evangelicals in what he described as opposition to the separation of church and state.[22]

The declaration's invocation of Martin Luther King and of the principles of civil disobedience has also been questioned.[23][24] An editorial in the Los Angeles Times characterized the invocation of King as "specious" and criticized the document, belittling the "anecdotes" regarding restrictions on Christians' religious freedom as "of the sort radio talk-show hosts purvey" or from outside the United States, and noting that federal law already exempts "believers in some cases from having to comply with applicable laws."[25]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Declaration:_A_Call_of_Christian_Conscience#Criticism
So, then by the "logic" of the AL Supreme Court, if a freezer holding frozen embryos no_hypocrisy Feb 2024 #1
That's a big ramification of this. BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #2
The entire Gulf Coast is clusterfuck sponsored by the Republican clowns of the apocalypse. Magoo48 Feb 2024 #34
Just fly into Disney, give them your money, then GTFO wolfie001 Feb 2024 #36
Should spawn an embryo tax-deduction Trust Fund, IRA, Social Security, Stim Check scheme bucolic_frolic Feb 2024 #3
Deductions for college savings accounts - perhaps the state will kick in some matching funds EYESORE 9001 Feb 2024 #4
Every "child/embryo" should count in the census for the state they are located BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #5
"But officer, I'm not violating the carpool lane laws. MurrayDelph Feb 2024 #43
"Hey, Honey? Let's freeze some tax deductions." vanlassie Feb 2024 #6
No shit. progressoid Feb 2024 #9
If they were alive, freezing them would be child abuse. raging moderate Feb 2024 #13
so if they place that keeps them frozen loses power and the embryos are not longer viable... Javaman Feb 2024 #7
Not so much murder EmmaLee E Feb 2024 #39
I'm ready to get flak for this... Trueblue Texan Feb 2024 #8
I've got 2 1st cousins that used in vitro fertilization. maxsolomon Feb 2024 #20
belief in illogical things can be a virtue in Catholicism DBoon Feb 2024 #27
Next up from AL, women accused of 'wrongful death' in every period cycle. apnu Feb 2024 #10
And The State Hasn't Earned The Nickname... GB_RN Feb 2024 #31
Wouldn't that also be considered manslaughter? Squaredeal Feb 2024 #11
"After a divorce, does an ex-spouse have the right to the embryos and collect child support" BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #12
God's image? What the fuckin' fuck is that? twodogsbarking Feb 2024 #14
Torah FORBIDS images of God. Grins Feb 2024 #19
Embryos are frozen until needed... CCExile Feb 2024 #15
freezers aren't built to last that long DBoon Feb 2024 #28
For the purpose of this discussion is the embryo and egg or a fertilized egg in the true biological sense? usaf-vet Feb 2024 #29
Small towns could now afford zoos of their own. Or have a traveling zoo in a box! Wonder Why Feb 2024 #32
So, will someone now be challenging AL's death penalty? area51 Feb 2024 #16
Hell naw! Rethuglicans only care about people BEFORE they're born. OMGWTF Feb 2024 #22
Yup! NowsTheTime Feb 2024 #41
Monty said it 50 yrs ago... k55f5r Feb 2024 #17
"...a hospital patient who...dropped them on the floor" Grins Feb 2024 #18
An accident. They thought it was where the staff kept the ice cream containers and they wanted some butter pecan. Wonder Why Feb 2024 #33
Really? You can't put a baby in the freezer. OMGWTF Feb 2024 #21
Tax deductions ! republianmushroom Feb 2024 #23
My thoughts as well. SergeStorms Feb 2024 #24
What about the millions of sperm spilled daily by each man in AL? I could go much further on "wasted" sperm. keopeli Feb 2024 #25
My thoughts exactly. I mean it is half a baby, right? Chainfire Feb 2024 #26
This is perfect for those white nationalists BaronChocula Feb 2024 #30
Elle Woods put it best in "Legally Blonde" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2024 #35
Could an embryo get a license to carry a gun Marthe48 Feb 2024 #37
So the buildings on fire, you can only save one. Live little baby lying in a crib or a box holding a hundred embryos. OverBurn Feb 2024 #38
I read the title incorrectly... Layzeebeaver Feb 2024 #40
Alabama Constitution Section 36.06, which argues that each person was made in God's image pfitz59 Feb 2024 #42
So based on that. Old Crank Feb 2024 #45
I checked and ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Feb 2024 #49
Yeah; the judge implied the "image of God" stuff from one use of "Almighty God" in the preamble muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #52
So when the companies in AL which do this shut down Old Crank Feb 2024 #44
Truly idiotic, stupid and moronic SouthernDem4ever Feb 2024 #46
now texas is arguing a fetus isn't a baby and doesn't have rights republianmushroom Feb 2024 #47
The reliance on types of Christianity in the ruling is worse than the Huff Post report says muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #48
Their Chief Justice: dalton99a Feb 2024 #50
Al Abama. Yoga was not allowed in public schools for 30 years. underpants Feb 2024 #51
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