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WilmywoodNCparalegal

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57. As a minor, I had no options either
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:09 PM
Nov 2012

As a legal immigrant, I don't see any reason why I should be treated differently on matters such as in-state tuition from those who are not legal immigrants - even through no fault of their own. If these kids can qualify for in-state tuition, then the kid of an H-1B worker or an O-1 worker or anything else should also be able to get in-state tuition.

Residence for legal purposes is defined differently. Residence for immigration purposes is also defined differently. I have no problem with these kids paying in-state tuition, but the same courtesy should be extended to the kids of other types of immigrants who as yet don't receive the same consideration in many states.

I can also assure you that I was too wedged in two worlds. When I arrived in the U.S. I didn't speak one word of English. I arrived two weeks before I began high school in a rural town in NC where no one spoke my language and no ESL classes were offered. I couldn't take tests or the SAT in Italian, I couldn't take my driver's license test in Italian. I had to sink or swim. I chose to swim.

I can assure you that was not fun - I was subjected more than once to ignorance and prejudice, not just from the students, but the teachers as well. So I do have some sympathy for the situation a lot of these kids find themselves in.

But we do have a large set of immigration laws that govern how people can and cannot enter the U.S. Surely, they need to be reformed in some way to ensure the kids who have no other choice can live their lives as full members of society, contributing as we all do.

At the same time, the laws that are in place should be enforced. Employers must bear the onus of verifying employment eligibility of their employees and must be fined if they don't comply. The main aim of immigration policy should be to bring in the best and brightest. The U.S. is already losing this battle thanks to incredibly long visa processing times and cumbersome multi-page forms that look like IQ tests.

All that I ask is that legal immigrants be treated fairly in the process as well. We certainly must find a solution for the millions who are in the U.S. illegally (either by entering without inspection or overstaying visas), but not at the expense of those who are following the rules and waiting years - if not decades - for their turn.

Go Massachusetts...another accomplishment by our recently re-elected President for All People. libdem4life Nov 2012 #1
If they are here illegally then how can they prove they have lived in the state? lalalu Nov 2012 #2
It doesn't matter. If they're here then they ought to be eligble for in-state tuition. rachel1 Nov 2012 #3
Not so fast. The difference in costs between in-state and out-of-state are enormous. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #6
This is not about winning votes Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #53
Its the rare, very rare, politician that's altruistic. 99% of them are chasing votes riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #78
His intentions are irrelevent Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #80
Likely they will have to have graduated from roody Nov 2012 #81
That is not how it works. lalalu Nov 2012 #9
This is NOT true. You do NOT have to "present federal and state tax returns." MADem Nov 2012 #18
You are wrong. lalalu Nov 2012 #21
Nice try. No cigar. That's the "form" that the Governor Patrick CHANGED. MADem Nov 2012 #30
You really get the "Duh" reward yourself. lalalu Nov 2012 #35
Look -- you are just dead wrong on this. Give it up. MADem Nov 2012 #67
WTF?! didact Nov 2012 #62
DUH....how about a MA high school diploma? MADem Nov 2012 #19
It is becoming more obvious lalalu Nov 2012 #24
I've provided a link proving you wrong--from the MA government itself. MADem Nov 2012 #25
LOL, keep posting it. lalalu Nov 2012 #29
What do "parents" have to do with an 18 year old (adult) student? MADem Nov 2012 #34
Wow, so you also do not file income taxes. lalalu Nov 2012 #36
The cut off is 24 for FINANCIAL AID. Stop confusing TUITION with FINANCIAL AID. MADem Nov 2012 #43
This is my final response to you. lalalu Nov 2012 #48
Well, joy in the morning--that has NOTHING TO DO WITH TUITION, and it has MADem Nov 2012 #56
Your conflating tuition rates and financial aid tammywammy Nov 2012 #59
What part of the following do you not understand? lalalu Nov 2012 #60
There you go again! Colleges and universities "allow dependency" for the purposes of FINANCIAL AID MADem Nov 2012 #65
High School diploma and school records will show it treestar Nov 2012 #32
No that is not the law. lalalu Nov 2012 #39
This is not true in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. MADem Nov 2012 #44
If they require parents to prove they lived in MA treestar Nov 2012 #46
This isn't about a break for them. lalalu Nov 2012 #49
No it is only about being a resident treestar Nov 2012 #73
It is about proving residency in order to get in state tuition. lalalu Nov 2012 #77
The parents don't even have to get involved. The student can produce two documents, MADem Nov 2012 #66
Lots of undocumented workers roody Nov 2012 #82
How nice of Massachussetts. Piazza Riforma Nov 2012 #4
I agree with letting them attend - but with out-of-state tuition panAmerican Nov 2012 #5
Not against letting them attend college, Piazza Riforma Nov 2012 #7
It's a nice idea, but there wouldn't be reciprocation in many instances panAmerican Nov 2012 #8
My point isn't about whether another state will grant MA students in state rates. Piazza Riforma Nov 2012 #11
Would you then agree that anyone smoking pot --either medical MJ or recreationally in the states MADem Nov 2012 #15
You must not have attended college or have a child in college. lalalu Nov 2012 #23
You are wrong on EVERY count. Try clicking on the link I provided to you, so you do not MADem Nov 2012 #26
Your own link proves you wrong. lalalu Nov 2012 #27
The unemancipated person is the EXCEPTION, not the rule. MADem Nov 2012 #37
LMAO, most students are dependents and lalalu Nov 2012 #38
Emancipation is only possible for those under 18. treestar Nov 2012 #47
That is not true. lalalu Nov 2012 #61
Stop confusing FINANCIAL AID with TUITION. They are not the same thing. nt MADem Nov 2012 #68
The term emancipation does not apply to people who are already adults treestar Nov 2012 #74
Most students are over 18, and therefore, emancipated adults in the eyes of the law. MADem Nov 2012 #50
lalalulu is actually claiming people remain minors treestar Nov 2012 #75
No, just that some of you have minor intelligence. lalalu Nov 2012 #76
The poster is being deliberately obstreperous, I believe. MADem Nov 2012 #79
If they were giving in-state rates to out-of-state illegal immigrants, but not to NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #64
Oat of them are Americans. roody Nov 2012 #83
People who live in the state, who shop in the stores and pay sales tax, who MADem Nov 2012 #84
Agree lalalu Nov 2012 #10
How about a high school diploma from a Massachusetts public school? nt MADem Nov 2012 #13
That is not enough. lalalu Nov 2012 #14
You're not accurate, there. You're way off the mark, in fact. MADem Nov 2012 #16
See post 16. A utility bill and a MA high school diploma will get you in the door. nt MADem Nov 2012 #17
No it will not. lalalu Nov 2012 #22
You plainly don't know what it means--how many college students are under 18, hmmmmm? MADem Nov 2012 #28
So now you claim all illegal immigrant students are lalalu Nov 2012 #31
Bullshit. All "emancipated" means is that a minor is able to enter into a contract. MADem Nov 2012 #40
Emancipated does not mean that and I have shown you lalalu Nov 2012 #42
You have shown me that facts mean nothing to you, and that you are unwilling to learn even when MADem Nov 2012 #51
They are "residents" of Massachusetts. MADem Nov 2012 #12
States give residents lower tuition because their income and sales taxes help support the school Orangepeel Nov 2012 #20
They were brought to the US as children treestar Nov 2012 #33
They've resided in the state most of their lives. MADem Nov 2012 #41
Exactly treestar Nov 2012 #45
I have no problem with what the governor is doing in support of these kids. MADem Nov 2012 #54
The point is that STATE TAXPAYERS get lower in-state rates. Xithras Nov 2012 #86
Back in the early 90s when I was about to attend college WilmywoodNCparalegal Nov 2012 #52
Now see, I disagree with you-- you should have been given the in state rate, assuming MADem Nov 2012 #55
As a minor, I had no options either WilmywoodNCparalegal Nov 2012 #57
You had legal standing--and your parents had the option to apply for citizenship MADem Nov 2012 #63
You are wrong on a few counts WilmywoodNCparalegal Nov 2012 #85
I'm a bit disgusted at your comments, frankly. You ARE "blaming the kids" if you don't realize that MADem Nov 2012 #87
You can sure tell that Massachusetts is a Democratic state by this. The wave of ALEC-inspired state pampango Nov 2012 #58
These children did nothing wrong. They are part of our community. MADem Nov 2012 #69
Good points. Conservatives don't want any move towards legalization because it removes pampango Nov 2012 #72
Education brings prosperity and opportunity to the population as a whole Politicub Nov 2012 #70
Resident of a state/commonwealth vs. Resident of a country marshall Nov 2012 #71
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