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pat_k

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Thu Mar 12, 2020, 09:01 PM Mar 2020

Coronavirus: many infections spread by people yet to show symptoms - scientists [View all]

Source: The Guardian

Coronavirus: many infections spread by people yet to show symptoms (est: 45% to 85%)

An analysis of infections in Singapore and Tianjin in China revealed that two-thirds and three-quarters of people respectively appear to have caught it from others who were incubating the virus but still symptom-free.

Researchers in Belgium and the Netherlands drew on data from outbreaks in Singapore and Tianjin to work out the "generation interval" for Covid-19. The generation interval is the time between one person getting infected and them infecting another. The figure is valuable for estimating the speed at which an outbreak will unfold.

The mean generation interval was 5.2 days in the Singapore cluster and 3.95 days in the China cluster, according to the analysis which is under review at an infectious disease journal. The scientists went on to calculate what proportion of infections were likely spread from people who were still incubating the virus and had yet to develop symptoms.

There are uncertainties in the figures because the scientists did not have precise information on who infected whom in the two clusters of disease. But even the lowest estimates show there was substantial transmission of coronavirus from people who had yet to fall ill.

In the Singapore cluster, between 45% and 84% of infections appeared to come from people incubating the virus. In China, the figures ranged from 65% to as much as 87%.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/12/coronavirus-most-infections-spread-by-people-yet-to-show-symptoms-scientists



Asymptotic people are not going to self-isolate. If these high rates of transmission from people incubating the virus are anywhere near accurate, the entire world needs to rethink testing criteria.

Widespread testing -- of symptomatic and asymptotic -- must be instituted. We know asymptotic people can test positive. We have reports of people with no symptoms testing positive. ID every positive we can. What we need to know is what the false negative rate is prior to developing symptoms. That must be known to determine how soon to retest.

Get that "can do" American spirit going.

Collection kits are dirt cheap. Health care personnel can have stacks of them available. The "bottleneck" is processing.

If every university or public-funded medical center across the nation were "geared up" to have the test processing and reporting capacity the University of Washington currently has (1500 per day), perhaps we could begin to make a dent.

If every private lab capable of testing were brought online, perhaps we could make a bigger dent. Fuck the incompetent and inadequate distribution of the "rationed" CDC tests. NO state or public health authority can rely on the Feds.

If drive thru testing sites like the one University of Washington Medical set up for its employees (soon to be expanded) were set up, perhaps we could make an even bigger dent.

If foundations and public health entities lauched home testing programs, like the one the Gates foundation is working to launch for residents of Seattle, perhaps we could make an even bigger dent.

If any symptomatic person self-isolates until they are "cleared" through testing, we can shift attention to more widespread testing.

There also needs to be a shift to thinking about ways to identify virus free people who can safely continue working. people able to keep economies on life support.

Sure, we need bailouts, obviously we need "social distancing," but we also need appropriations to fund BIG testing programs -- general surveillance testing to identify "hot spots" -- areas where concentrated efforts are needed to test and monitor as many people as we possibly can.



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It seems to me that those catching it are younger than BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #1
The reports of closures are coming fast and furious. pat_k Mar 2020 #2
I watched Pelosi's news presser this morning BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #3
Go Pelosi! Hope she backs up with legislation to fund efforts beyond CDC. pat_k Mar 2020 #4
THIS! Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #5
So what do we do about the asymptotic people in this country? cstanleytech Mar 2020 #6
Social distancing/good hygiene without isolation still makes a huge impact on flattening the curve. Pobeka Mar 2020 #7
Absolutely! pat_k Mar 2020 #9
True. But if we can do some amount of general "surveillance" testing... pat_k Mar 2020 #8
Everybody stay home Igel Mar 2020 #12
The problem I see with testing.... Bayard Mar 2020 #10
There must be some way to test for the presence of the antibody. pat_k Mar 2020 #11
People are commiting a category error. Igel Mar 2020 #14
Found this article. Not definitive, but most likely testing error or never actually "recovered" pat_k Mar 2020 #16
Great find, useful for understanding more about what might be happening. JudyM Mar 2020 #17
Thanks. I thought it was very useful too. pat_k Mar 2020 #18
If you walk through a room with a mask and it picks up virus that you would otherwise have inhaled JudyM Mar 2020 #19
If the mask doesn't fit, you are still breathing in the aerosol. pat_k Mar 2020 #20
Ok, complete agreement here. JudyM Mar 2020 #21
There's a possible resolution to the claim. Igel Mar 2020 #13
That makes sense Bayard Mar 2020 #15
OMG! "What's that?" Duppers Mar 2020 #22
Not that I don't think this is serious but Linda Ed Mar 2020 #23
In an information vacuum, people jump to their worst fears. pat_k Mar 2020 #24
Kick ck4829 Mar 2020 #25
Thx! pat_k Mar 2020 #26
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