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In reply to the discussion: A Faded Piece of Papyrus Refers to Jesus' Wife [View all]Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)77. Yup. Such (incorrigibly mischivious monkeys) we are. Eg.:
James is described as one of the first disciples to join Jesus. The Synoptic Gospels state that James and John were with their father by the seashore when Jesus called them to follow him.[Matt. 4:21-22][Mk. 1:19-20] James was one of only three apostles whom Jesus selected to bear witness to his Transfiguration.[1]...
SPAIN: ... According to ancient local tradition, on 2 January of the year AD 40, the Virgin Mary appeared to James on the bank of the Ebro River at Caesaraugusta, while he was preaching the Gospel in Iberia. She appeared upon a pillar, Nuestra Señora del Pilar, and that pillar is conserved and venerated within the present Basilica of Our Lady of the Pillar, in Zaragoza, Spain. Following that apparition, St James returned to Judea, where he was beheaded by King Herod Agrippa I in the year 44.[6][7]
The 12th-century Historia Compostellana commissioned by bishop Diego Gelmírez provides a summary of the legend of St James as it was believed at Compostela. Two propositions are central to it: first, that St James preached the gospel in Iberia as well as in the Holy Land; second, that after his martyrdom at the hands of Herod Agrippa I his disciples carried his body by sea to Iberia, where they landed at Padrón on the coast of Galicia, and took it inland for burial at Santiago de Compostela.
The translation of his relics from Judea to Galicia in the northwest of Iberia was effected, in legend, by a series of miraculous happenings: decapitated in Jerusalem with a sword by Herod Agrippa himself, his body was taken up by angels, and sailed in a rudderless, unattended boat to Iria Flavia in Iberia, where a massive rock closed around his relics, which were later removed to Compostela.
An even later tradition states that he miraculously appeared to fight for the Christian army during the battle of Clavijo,
and was henceforth called Matamoros (Moor-slayer). Santiago y cierra España ("St James and strike for Spain" has been the traditional battle cry of Spanish armies.
A similar miracle is related about San Millán. The possibility that a cult of James was instituted to supplant the Galician cult of Priscillian (executed in 385) who was widely venerated across the north of Iberia as a martyr at the hands of the bishops rather than as a heretic should not be overlooked. This was cautiously raised by Henry Chadwick in his book on Priscillian;[6] it is not the traditional Roman Catholic view... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James,_son_of_Zebedee#Spain
SPAIN: ... According to ancient local tradition, on 2 January of the year AD 40, the Virgin Mary appeared to James on the bank of the Ebro River at Caesaraugusta, while he was preaching the Gospel in Iberia. She appeared upon a pillar, Nuestra Señora del Pilar, and that pillar is conserved and venerated within the present Basilica of Our Lady of the Pillar, in Zaragoza, Spain. Following that apparition, St James returned to Judea, where he was beheaded by King Herod Agrippa I in the year 44.[6][7]
The 12th-century Historia Compostellana commissioned by bishop Diego Gelmírez provides a summary of the legend of St James as it was believed at Compostela. Two propositions are central to it: first, that St James preached the gospel in Iberia as well as in the Holy Land; second, that after his martyrdom at the hands of Herod Agrippa I his disciples carried his body by sea to Iberia, where they landed at Padrón on the coast of Galicia, and took it inland for burial at Santiago de Compostela.
The translation of his relics from Judea to Galicia in the northwest of Iberia was effected, in legend, by a series of miraculous happenings: decapitated in Jerusalem with a sword by Herod Agrippa himself, his body was taken up by angels, and sailed in a rudderless, unattended boat to Iria Flavia in Iberia, where a massive rock closed around his relics, which were later removed to Compostela.
An even later tradition states that he miraculously appeared to fight for the Christian army during the battle of Clavijo,
The Battle of Clavijo was a legendary battle, supposedly fought on May 23rd of 844 near Clavijo between the Christians led by Ramiro I of Asturias and the Muslims led by the Emir of Córdoba. Saint James the Great, known to Spaniards as Santiago Matamoros (the Moor-slayer), is reputed to have aided the vastly outnumbered Christian army. Some aspects of the historical Battle of Monte Laturce (859) were incorporated into this legend, as Claudio Sánchez-Albornoz demonstrated in 1948.[1]
The legend as it survives was first written down in the twelfth century. A forged grant to the Church of Santiago de Compostela by which Ramiro reportedly surrendered a part of the annual tribute owed him by all the Christians of Spain also dates from the mid-twelfth century... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Clavijo
The legend as it survives was first written down in the twelfth century. A forged grant to the Church of Santiago de Compostela by which Ramiro reportedly surrendered a part of the annual tribute owed him by all the Christians of Spain also dates from the mid-twelfth century... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Clavijo
and was henceforth called Matamoros (Moor-slayer). Santiago y cierra España ("St James and strike for Spain" has been the traditional battle cry of Spanish armies.
A similar miracle is related about San Millán. The possibility that a cult of James was instituted to supplant the Galician cult of Priscillian (executed in 385) who was widely venerated across the north of Iberia as a martyr at the hands of the bishops rather than as a heretic should not be overlooked. This was cautiously raised by Henry Chadwick in his book on Priscillian;[6] it is not the traditional Roman Catholic view... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James,_son_of_Zebedee#Spain
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Yes, I have understood for over 40 years that that is so, to the best of our knowledge.
Ghost Dog
Sep 2012
#72
There is nothing suspicious about it. There are few contemporary records and accounts.
kwassa
Sep 2012
#95
You're joking right? Otherwise this is bizarre logic...as you say, we're evidence of our ancestors..
Moonwalk
Sep 2012
#78
Mighty far beside the point since no one is assumed to be the descendant of Jesus.
FiveGoodMen
Sep 2012
#79
I don't understand people like that, at all. I find it fascinating, not threatening in any way.
Indpndnt
Sep 2012
#47
If John 2.1 is not describing the marriage of Jesus then why is his mother there?
KurtNYC
Sep 2012
#10
It could have been referring to another "Jesus", like the baker's son, instead of the carpenter's so
dmosh42
Sep 2012
#12
The Inside Story of a Controversial New Text About Jesus (The Smithsonian)
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#14
Josephus, the Roman historian wrote of him -- although that could be a hoax too.
JDPriestly
Sep 2012
#84
A Dumb Question Here - Jesus As A Name - Was It A Common Name At That Time.....
global1
Sep 2012
#53
So My Question Is - Could This Faded Piece of Papyrus That Mentions Jesus's Wife....
global1
Sep 2012
#68
Thought this was historically interesting. Sorry to see so much belittling snark here about it.
pinto
Sep 2012
#71
They shouldn't publish stuff like this. It may be offensive to Christians
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#73
She'd have crucified him if she knew he could just make fish from nothing
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#83
So..the chances that Dan Brown and the "DaVinci Code" were on target just got better. Who knew?
AnOhioan
Sep 2012
#91
Not only did JC have a wife, she was a regular on "Real Housewives of Nazareth."
Arugula Latte
Sep 2012
#113
That myth has been around since The Queen of Heaven cult 6,000 years or more-His Bride is the Church
bobthedrummer
Sep 2012
#117