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In reply to the discussion: Awaiting Trump's coal comeback, miners reject retraining [View all]Squinch
(50,949 posts)106. Ok, "friend." You go to Wikipedia-lite for your numbers. I prefer a real source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/31/8-surprisingly-small-industries-that-employ-more-people-than-coal/?utm_term=.6b74e5844382
In that real source, you will find that the Census Bureau shows 76572 people worked in the coal industry in 2014, the latest year that data was available. The source goes on to say "That number includes not just miners but also office workers, sales staff and all of the other individuals who work at coal-mining companies."
Moving on. No. Those workers don't care about providing for their families. If they did, they would train for an actual job that actually exists rather than demanding that they be given one that is obviously never coming back.
Moving on. Yes, they do want it at our expense. By demanding that an unnecessary job be propped up artificially when that job causes enormous damage to the environment, we all pay for their refusal to live in the real world.
Moving on. People of color did not stay home because Democrats were being mean to coal miners.
Moving on. Wrong again about the pay for the jobs in renewable energy that would have moved into the coal belt. Those are not low paying jobs. And they are jobs that would have been around for a long time to come.
Finally, no those coal communities were not allowed to rot like the one you grew up in. There has been a boatload of money poured into the coal region to try to get economic development going on there.
Coal jobs are going away. They have been for a long, long time. Whine and cry all you like but nothing is going to change that. So people can take your lead and bemoan their fate and say they are being oppressed, and they will still not have a job. Or they can do something else, including taking advantage of the umpteen opportunities for retraining that have been poured into their community.
In that real source, you will find that the Census Bureau shows 76572 people worked in the coal industry in 2014, the latest year that data was available. The source goes on to say "That number includes not just miners but also office workers, sales staff and all of the other individuals who work at coal-mining companies."
Moving on. No. Those workers don't care about providing for their families. If they did, they would train for an actual job that actually exists rather than demanding that they be given one that is obviously never coming back.
Moving on. Yes, they do want it at our expense. By demanding that an unnecessary job be propped up artificially when that job causes enormous damage to the environment, we all pay for their refusal to live in the real world.
Moving on. People of color did not stay home because Democrats were being mean to coal miners.
Moving on. Wrong again about the pay for the jobs in renewable energy that would have moved into the coal belt. Those are not low paying jobs. And they are jobs that would have been around for a long time to come.
Finally, no those coal communities were not allowed to rot like the one you grew up in. There has been a boatload of money poured into the coal region to try to get economic development going on there.
Coal jobs are going away. They have been for a long, long time. Whine and cry all you like but nothing is going to change that. So people can take your lead and bemoan their fate and say they are being oppressed, and they will still not have a job. Or they can do something else, including taking advantage of the umpteen opportunities for retraining that have been poured into their community.
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You pegged it. Insightful. And they trust him on the tax {strike}reform{/strike} heist. . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2017
#3
Are the descendants of the Bodie miners still waiting for gold mining to come back?
DBoon
Nov 2017
#22
A robot can't get black lung disease, or die from the boss ignoring safety regs...
Hekate
Nov 2017
#143
Yes, exactly. Very cruel of Trump to lie to them. Good leadership would have encouraged
Irish_Dem
Nov 2017
#10
But when you can't follow in the family's footsteps, when those jobs have been gone for the better
Squinch
Nov 2017
#108
"We should cut of safety net aid to any coal miner, who does not accept retraining. "
keithbvadu2
Nov 2017
#18
The nursing and computer programming courses were not to provide low cost mining workers.
Squinch
Nov 2017
#109
Um, this guy deserves it. He's being offered FREE EDUCATION and he sticks his head in the sand.
Coventina
Nov 2017
#35
I spent most of my childhood homeless. That taught me that education is critical to a better life.
Coventina
Nov 2017
#49
Ok, "friend." You go to Wikipedia-lite for your numbers. I prefer a real source:
Squinch
Nov 2017
#106
WTF? No, your wiki source and the Census Bureau numbers I quoted are NOT saying the same thing.
Squinch
Nov 2017
#113
And I find it interesting that once I voiced my suspicions I haven't heard a peep.
Squinch
Nov 2017
#116
The persona is not consistent either. Let's you and me stand over here on the side and
Squinch
Nov 2017
#118
Yes, we need to have empathy for people who have absolutely none of anyone else
Cosmocat
Nov 2017
#94
He will be very upset when some "other person " who took the realistic training gets a job
lunasun
Nov 2017
#25
he probably fears the other person who will take the realistic job more than the unknown
lunasun
Nov 2017
#32
And he'll say that "other person" STOLE his job. And he's being discriminated against.
Squinch
Nov 2017
#84
I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble feeling bad for these people. I went to art school. Everyone
Neema
Nov 2017
#45
Everyone in the world needs to select their profession from the professions that are available
Squinch
Nov 2017
#89
I was once in publishing. I did work that I began to see was not going to continue
Squinch
Nov 2017
#92
Exactly. You nailed it. White men who blame everyone else for their problems.
Coventina
Nov 2017
#93
Maybe it will come back. There still are a lot of naughty people who need coal in their stockings.
Doreen
Nov 2017
#60
Wait!! Get training to make 8 track cartridges,that technology is coming back too!! n/t
Bengus81
Nov 2017
#68