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Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
47. I don't think so, based on two prongs.
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 09:11 PM
Jun 2017

First, the Emoluments Clause:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.


Note that this applies to all persons holding federal office, including Congress or any federal officeholder. Not just the president. The Clinton family received far more financial benefit from foreign governments through the Clinton Foundation than Trump is doing.

First, consider history:
1) All presidents in recent memory, and certainly several of the original generation, were businessmen, or held a lot of stock in companies. At the time of the passage of the Constitution, most of the Congress were businessmen. In their capacity as businessmen, and as an active governmental policy in the early history of the US, they were trying to develop industry and exports. Cotton, lumber, anything we could ship. It's a certainty that the plantation owners were exporting and receiving payments, to some degree, from foreign governments. Thus, they all, in one way or another, were receiving payments from foreign governments. You think IBM, CISCO, Microsoft, etc don't receive payments from foreign governments. You think Verizon and the utility companies don't receive payments from foreign governments? You think it is illegal for a US office holder to own stock in those companies?

Second, consider possibility:
2) Many Congressional Senators & Representatives receive payments from foreign governments in theoretically arms-length transactions. They publish books. They own houses. They have shares in companies. Many of them are involved in real estate, some in foreign holdings of real estate. This is a standard impossible to impose.

What's banned by the Emoluments clause cannot be a standard commercial transaction.

Finally, consider nine Supreme Court justices considering this matter. They are certainly not going to try to interpret this standard in a way that makes them all potentially subject to such charges.
WOW - they are nuts rurallib Jun 2017 #1
"lawyers from the DOJ" Roy Rolling Jun 2017 #30
Actually, probably not. Think like an Attorney for a minute bitterross Jun 2017 #33
thank you rurallib Jun 2017 #35
Well, thinking like a lawyer, TomSlick Jun 2017 #38
I don't disagree with your​ assertions/premise. bitterross Jun 2017 #39
Unquestionably correct. TomSlick Jun 2017 #46
I don't think so, based on two prongs. Yo_Mama Jun 2017 #47
Coming soon: Don, Melania, Jared, & Ivanka infomercials Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #2
And what is the "fair market value" for a club fee that doubled after he was elected? (nt) thesquanderer Jun 2017 #3
...and the membership fee that doubled to $200K! Qutzupalotl Jun 2017 #18
The DOJ brief totally ignores those glaring facts. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #22
And an author doesn't get to know the names of who buys his books muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #25
Fair enough Roy Rolling Jun 2017 #31
Or Trump charging the taxpayers $35,000 for renting his golfcarts to himself stuffmatters Jun 2017 #43
F'ckng crooked country. CentralMass Jun 2017 #4
Our banana republic certification is in the mail! swag Jun 2017 #5
No. I ain't goin for this shit. Just not. No. NYET goddamit. end of message Leghorn21 Jun 2017 #6
Did they say anything about bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #7
Or Trump selling green cards as real estate investments. He did it before Jared bigtime. stuffmatters Jun 2017 #44
OMG. One corrupt thing after another. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #8
The situation is without precedent so some law is gonna get made. Shrike47 Jun 2017 #9
Or as Trump would say: "unpresidented". keithbvadu2 Jun 2017 #10
Makes sense - the law applies to everyone except Trump. procon Jun 2017 #11
Originalism? Never heard of it. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #12
That's some Newt Gingrich thinking right there ProudLib72 Jun 2017 #13
Sure enough dalton99a Jun 2017 #14
keep on bringing him to the courts. This is how the shady deals of his 'charities', foundations, Sunlei Jun 2017 #15
Has anyone found a link to the DoJ brief? TomSlick Jun 2017 #16
Here's the feds' Motion to Dismiss. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #20
Otherwise known as a Silkwood Shower Hestia Jun 2017 #37
LOL Exactly. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #41
It's a very pretty brief but TomSlick Jun 2017 #48
Also, see my Reply 22 up the thread. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #23
as crooked as it gets now folks. just wow. TeamPooka Jun 2017 #17
Who else claimed that if the president does it, that means it isn't illegal? FuzzyRabbit Jun 2017 #19
Well, there's no chance they could disguise bribes as "fair-market commercial transactions", so OK ! eppur_se_muova Jun 2017 #21
OK, Original Intent guys, where does it say bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #24
Is this mercuryblues Jun 2017 #26
LOL! And in the small print it says, "As long as he shares his booty with his DOJ appointees." Squinch Jun 2017 #27
So now the DOJ argues that the Constitution is an unenforceable Progressive dog Jun 2017 #28
Exactly stuffmatters Jun 2017 #45
Isn't that special. C_U_L8R Jun 2017 #29
Okay then, let's make this Article II of the impeachment, right behind treason. sinkingfeeling Jun 2017 #32
Trump's assets were SUPPOSED to go into a BLIND TRUST !! vkkv Jun 2017 #34
Well, that's it then. It is now legal to take bribes, hush money louis-t Jun 2017 #36
The Day the Music Died jpak Jun 2017 #40
And to use his hotels as cash cow question everything Jun 2017 #42
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