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51. True this. Few "independent" voters actually vote for "independent" candidates. (nt)

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Democrats must overhaul party and attack big business: Bernie Sanders [View all] DonViejo Feb 2017 OP

watch out for incoming! NRaleighLiberal Feb 2017 #1

yep. Bernie is supposed to shut the fuck up. Only Hillary videos posted on twitter allowed! m-lekktor Feb 2017 #34

No, he should feel free to attack the party forever bluedye33139 Feb 2017 #46

This is NOT an attack! ananda Feb 2017 #49

It is an attack and since he left he party after the ill advised primary run...he has Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #105

Butbutbut.... Bernie is the only pure candidate EVER!!!!! SHUT UP and listen to the ONLY ehrnst Feb 2017 #56

fake news. :))))) pangaia Feb 2017 #67

Or so he thinks Cha Feb 2017 #86

I think it's not that he needs to shut up as he is more than free to offer advice from the sidelines cstanleytech Feb 2017 #47

That's right.. when he lobs attacks.. he can expect pushback Cha Feb 2017 #100

Because Democrats Are Currently In Lock Step With Trump? TomCADem Feb 2017 #2

To be fair I see areas even that I could work with Trump, I also see me winning a Powerball jackpot cstanleytech Feb 2017 #57

I'm With Him! jalan48 Feb 2017 #3

Me too! joet67 Feb 2017 #27

Me three! Sparky 1 Feb 2017 #145

I don't think attack is the right word here Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #4

Reforming Capitalism bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #5

Go Bernie! zentrum Feb 2017 #6

It isn't his party. He's an Independent. nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #7

He's allowed to have an opinion...just like every other American. nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #11

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #14

Okay. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #16

Except Hillary, apparently. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #50

Uh-huh. But his message is spot-on. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2017 #15

Yeah.....this one was fucking brilliant.... msanthrope Feb 2017 #17

Bernie is so pure, isn't he? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #58

Yes. Why isn't he out there telling the Rs what they need to do? stopbush Feb 2017 #26

Also the Greens. Bernie seems to be such a font of wisdom ehrnst Feb 2017 #59

"seems" is the operative word Cha Feb 2017 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author SharonClark Feb 2017 #113

Without Independents, we lose elections. tecelote Feb 2017 #32

Independent *voters,* sure. Orrex Feb 2017 #36

Unless they are the right candidate for the time. tecelote Feb 2017 #40

They can already. Just ask Sanders. Orrex Feb 2017 #76

Or how about Republicans, if we're going to stop letting the party decide who the candidate is. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #120

True this. Few "independent" voters actually vote for "independent" candidates. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #51

Exactly. Orrex Feb 2017 #77

Except poll after poll show that most Americans agree with our positions. tecelote Feb 2017 #81

Again, that's for the voters Orrex Feb 2017 #103

When 54% of white voters went GOP in 2012, I don't remember people demanding that the DNC ehrnst Feb 2017 #128

actual voting matters more than what they say in polls. they vote for people like Sessions JI7 Feb 2017 #143

+1000 stonecutter357 Feb 2017 #41

Bernie's right and should bring it up at the OnDoutside Feb 2017 #8

You mean like the Kansas Democratic Partys annual convention.... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #10

Try it and buy it ? OnDoutside Feb 2017 #12

I have to wonder what Vermont constituents think about this. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #61

They keep on electing him - sort of says it all... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #69

I know facts are really important truebluegreen Feb 2017 #82

In a very very white, very lefty, very small population ehrnst Feb 2017 #127

Moving the goalposts, are we? truebluegreen Feb 2017 #129

I don't know what his constituents think, and they are very not very diverse. ehrnst Feb 2017 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Feb 2017 #125

Totally agree with Senator Sanders on this... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #9

Yes, he proved that such candidates can get as far as losing the primary Orrex Feb 2017 #37

Millions and millions of people and Democrats... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #45

Millions and millions of people and Democrats... LenaBaby61 Feb 2017 #68

My speculation is that.... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #70

That's simply a fantasy Orrex Feb 2017 #80

I guess then that applies to any candidate running in a race... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #91

Obviously not Orrex Feb 2017 #104

Precisely, Orrex. Cha Feb 2017 #95

He has shown bad judgement in keeping Weaver on. Who knows how that judgement would have ehrnst Feb 2017 #121

You may be right, the... Whiskeytide Mar 2017 #156

...Senator Sanders would have clean tRumps clock in a General... LenaBaby61 Feb 2017 #116

Due to the former DNC chair, who resigned for what reason? LS_Editor Feb 2017 #62

Are you blaming the former DNC chair for Sanders multi-million voter deficit? Orrex Feb 2017 #78

Nope he didn't. Cha Feb 2017 #85

So, are you suggesting that Democratic candidates... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #89

They're not. Cha Feb 2017 #90

Ohhhh Keee Doooo Keee then... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #93

Like Barney Frank? Who took Wall Street money and wrote Dodd Frank? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #122

Alright Bernie! Lets all channel our inner Roosevelt - both Teddy AND Franklin - Dem party tends to Kashkakat v.2.0 Feb 2017 #13

Like 1992 George II Feb 2017 #19

Yep not fooled Feb 2017 #138

You don't overhaul anything from the outside looking in. George II Feb 2017 #18

Sure, because appointing Wall Street Executives to cabinet positions works so well (NOT!) Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #24

Did you read the OP? George II Feb 2017 #28

Funny, I was going to say the same about your post. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #123

"We need to open up the party to working people, to young people and make it crystal clear that the Charles Bukowski Feb 2017 #20

exactly, it's grotesque actually, under the circumstances Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #55

Thank you, Charles Bukowski! Cha Feb 2017 #94

Except then they would have 0 support from the people with power,and thus would never get elected. athenasatanjesus Feb 2017 #21

Please stop pissing in our tent. It causes odors and nastiness. bravenak Feb 2017 #22

BS needs to stick it to trump.. We have new leaders now Cha Feb 2017 #97

Yes, a bit of respect would go a long way bravenak Feb 2017 #98

That's one outsider's opinion. It would probably carry more weight coming from someone ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #23

Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #25

Was going to ask the same thing. "We" who? George II Feb 2017 #29

Are there any Democrats standing up to Wall Street? milestogo Feb 2017 #38

depends how you define standing up Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #53

Have you ever heard of Elizabeth Warren? nini Feb 2017 #99

That is so funny...we have a situation where Wall Street is going to get big rewards from Trump Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #106

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #63

yeah, 'cause he's always trying to tear down our Party.. and Cha Feb 2017 #96

Wall Street, Wall Street, Wall Street OKNancy Feb 2017 #30

Good point, we are not purists, neither is Sanders, if his decision to chastise Thinkingabout Feb 2017 #102

I have pension money in Wall Street and that is not a winning message to take down Wall Street. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #109

Gag order. democratisphere Feb 2017 #31

cut the cord to wall street definitely. OLD school business not crapitalism. pansypoo53219 Feb 2017 #33

You mean like not accept money from the NRA? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #64

Labor unions used to be the main source of funding - no longer. Until another group steps up ehrnst Feb 2017 #126

finance has become an end in itself rather than a means to an end. yurbud Feb 2017 #132

Doesn't change the fact that money is needed to run for office. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #135

problem is, what politicians do to keep getting that money is coming back to bite them on the ass yurbud Feb 2017 #136

That's also a function of short terms. Congress is constantly having to raise money. ehrnst Feb 2017 #137

that informal "all my constituents work in X industry" is more what they are supposed to do yurbud Feb 2017 #139

Devos isn't a politician as such. She has never run for office. ehrnst Feb 2017 #149

my point was that she was a buyer of politicians yurbud Feb 2017 #150

I don't know what Bernie means when he says "we need to...? calguy Feb 2017 #35

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #54

He's an American citizen. Occulus Feb 2017 #131

Shh...not supposed to bring up Wall Street. Rex Feb 2017 #39

who? stonecutter357 Feb 2017 #42

.. Cha Feb 2017 #83

Maybe if he was a member of the party... wysi Feb 2017 #43

Actually, being an independent has helped him get more bills passed womanofthehills Feb 2017 #112

Not true. He is an amendment guy. He cosigns the bills that OTHERS write. bravenak Feb 2017 #117

most of the working class whites voted for trump over social issues JI7 Feb 2017 #44

Yeah, he's so concerned that he might actually JOIN the party. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #48

does Bernie Sanders really have the best interest of the Dems in mind? Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #52

Ellison not being the new DNC head shows the party still doesn't get it. LS_Editor Feb 2017 #60

Because "it" is totally up to Bernie? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #65

Doesn't get "what"? George II Feb 2017 #84

It shows the Democratic party has a working brain...I like Ellison Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #108

There sure is still a lot of misplaced Bernie hate here. He did NOT lose the election for FailureToCommunicate Feb 2017 #66

I will always believe Bernie running in the primary caused the loss...that being said ...time to Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #110

I don't know what party Bernie belongs to Progressive dog Feb 2017 #71

Thank you Bernie gopiscrap Feb 2017 #72

Sanders definition of working people seems very limited. I don't think he sees many of us as workers delisen Feb 2017 #73

i think he is talking about white men because non white working class went for Clinton JI7 Feb 2017 #74

I agree. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #124

One trick dead horse. OilemFirchen Feb 2017 #75

Why are Democrats Jamaal510 Feb 2017 #79

If Bernie cares so much about Democrats Blue Idaho Feb 2017 #87

Stick it to the repubs, BS.. We have our new leaders Tom Perez and Cha Feb 2017 #88

Saying that the party should 'take on' is not the same as saying they 'must attack' mr_lebowski Feb 2017 #101

Right let's give the GOP a chance to make more people believe Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #107

Threads like this -with the ... Whiskeytide Feb 2017 #111

Build walls inside our own tent? murielm99 Feb 2017 #118

Was He An Uninvited Speaker, Muriel? ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #119

I can't convince you of ... Whiskeytide Feb 2017 #141

Because I don't want to see it? murielm99 Feb 2017 #142

Why is it "re-fighting the primary" every time Bernie is brought up? Sparky 1 Feb 2017 #146

I work with many people IRL who supported bernie. murielm99 Feb 2017 #148

As I said, " Why is it "re-fighting the primary" every time Bernie is brought up?" Sparky 1 Feb 2017 #152

I am through trying to convince you or any other murielm99 Feb 2017 #153

OK. It's possible I'm wrong and you're right. Sparky 1 Feb 2017 #154

I'm not lecturing or trying to compare... Whiskeytide Mar 2017 #155

What was the purpose in posting this op? To fight the primary again? SharonClark Feb 2017 #114

Umm no... MedusaX Feb 2017 #115

Yes, stop pandering to Wall Street and Silicon Valley alarimer Feb 2017 #130

So join the damn party, Bernie. Or start one yourself. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2017 #134

The party wasn't open to working people before? Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #140

Sort of. Read "Listen Liberal" by Thomas Frank to learn how it has changed. n/t Sparky 1 Feb 2017 #147

You don't gain new allies by attacking them. Where do you think good paying jobs will come from? nikibatts Feb 2017 #144

"urged a major overhaul of HIS party" brooklynite Feb 2017 #151

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