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Ms. Toad

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24. If they were doing pure spin, they would never have acknowledged
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:50 AM
Jan 2012

that they would have chosen to induce labor if her life was at risk. They would have spun it entirely as spontaneous labor following an infection, without offering the rest of their thoughts which are much harder to reconcile with the political positions he has taken.

The article is contemporaneous (or at least a lot more so than the ones claiming labor was induced), in a respectable newspaper with several Pullitzer prizes to its name - that seems reasonably reliable to me. I haven't seen any contemporaneous reports that labor was induced (the ones I have seen have all been written recently). FWIW, it is also consistent with my personal experience with families with similar beliefs.

The reasoning of the families I have spoken with (which took me a while to wrap my brain around) is that - generally - carrying to term is best. If that isn't possible because it would either kill the mother or death would be extraordinarily painful for the child, inducing labor is a moral second choice, with a range after birth from active intervention to save the child's life to letting nature take its course. At 16 weeks (particularly - in the cases I am familiar with ) birth is almost universally - but not inevitably fatal. A medical abortion, on the other hand, guarantees fetal death - and that is where they generally draw the line.

It is not dissimilar to end of life choices, if you think about it, with some people drawing a sharp line between active euthanasia and the rest of the spectrum (which includes actively prolonging life on one end through (on the other end) withholding all but comfort care, perhaps even administering doses of painkillers that might result in death - but stopping short of actively administering a dose that is guaranteed to be fatal).

I'm not trying to justify or reconcile Santorum's policy positions with the personal decisions he and his wife made - just trying to shed a little light on the personal thinking because my voluneer work puts me in a position to have spoken with a number of people with similar beliefs, facing (or who had faced) similar decisions - and the report in the Inquirer is entirely consistent with those other families.

jeezes- i'm not surprised! la la Jan 2012 #1
Not a stillborn but a non-viable fetus whose birth was induced JenniferJuniper Jan 2012 #7
There's enough garbage connected with Santorum without embellishing it Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #16
So, the Santorums should have the right to make that decision, but they think no one else should? SharonAnn Jan 2012 #20
Where did I say that? Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #21
Has anyone actually seen the medical records RobertEmmet Jan 2012 #23
If they were doing pure spin, they would never have acknowledged Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #24
Point is, we only have the Santorums' version. RobertEmmet Jan 2012 #26
What we have is a large reputable newspaper Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #30
Famous for breeding. beyurslf Jan 2012 #2
Republiclowns BeaufortPenguin Jan 2012 #3
This --in my humble opinion -- proves how screwed up mentally this family is. Justice wanted Jan 2012 #4
Well, at least Turbineguy Jan 2012 #5
Tax a simple pattern Jan 2012 #22
Oh yes they are on the dole proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #34
Yes, that and Turbineguy Jan 2012 #36
What a shock ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #6
Good point Scairp Jan 2012 #8
another great reason to vote for Obama tnvoter Jan 2012 #9
Nothing at all surprises me about this gigantic family. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #10
Isn't this basically how a bee colony works? eyewall Jan 2012 #18
Is it? LOL! So that family is like a bee colony, with the queen bee Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #19
So repeating that one. Rozlee Jan 2012 #31
Rick is right, cut expenses!!! shintao Jan 2012 #11
He could win evilhime Jan 2012 #12
Heh. Rozlee Jan 2012 #32
Let me point out the obvious here. mysuzuki2 Jan 2012 #13
LOL. Rozlee Jan 2012 #33
It's so sad gopiscrap Jan 2012 #14
You are absolutely spot on! hamsterjill Jan 2012 #27
I guess the thought of their children cleaning public toilets was too repugnant. n/t DRoseDARs Jan 2012 #15
Ka-BOOM!!! Octafish Jan 2012 #17
Just a picture.... Drum Jan 2012 #25
And soon all those Duggar kids will start their own families! lunatica Jan 2012 #28
OMG Botany Jan 2012 #29
If I weren't an atheist Rozlee Jan 2012 #35
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