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fasttense

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50. Yes, yes, yes it's initial. But do you NOT think people are noticing?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jul 2015

If 1.3 million people were kicked off, that means there are 1.3 million people who can re-apply if they found jobs. But since they didn't find jobs they can't reapply. So it does impact the "initial" claims because initial includes those people who went back to work and then lost their jobs yet again and re-apply. Those people are counted as initial too. Continuing includes those who still have the little bit of benefits they haven't used up yet. NOT people who have applied for the second lost job.

Also do you not think screaming headlines telling you your unemployment benefits require piss tests for a lousy $60 a week is going to encourage people to apply? Do you think state senators telling you that you can't spend your unemployment on this and on that and that you have to prove you applied for crappy little jobs every week will make you apply? Do you think people didn't hear about the 1.3 million kicked off the rolls and think what's the use? Do you think the ever increasing bureaucratic paperwork, tests, controls and limitations on spending of benefits money encourages people to apply for unemployment?

As I said the drop in INITIAL CLAIMS FOR UNEMPLOYMENT is not about jobs coming back, it's about austerity.

"Economists generally agree that jobless claims above 400k signals contracting unemployment. When jobless claims are below 300k, employment is growing at a very nice rate. Now that it's at 250k, with the number of employed at an all time high, it means employment is rocketing upward."

Yeah and Economists generally agreed there was no recession until the crash and then surprise, surprise, there was one that had been on going for over a year.

You can consider it employment if you want but crappy little part time jobs at crappy little pay are merely "waiting around for something better" jobs. They are crappy and people only do them because they have no other choice. Most of those crappy little jobs would have either remained vacant in better economic times or they would have huge turnover rates. Obama and RepubliCONS call it employment, real people call it crap.

Most of the people I know who got fired during the beginning of the recession are either still unemployed or working part time crappy jobs. So technically the recession ended but in the real world the only ones who are doing well are the uber rich.

Keep feeding the propaganda machine and tell us serfs how wonderful the economy is but as for me, I'm going to believe my lying eyes.

U.S. jobless claims drop to 41-1/2-year low [View all] mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2015 OP
Just think where the unemployment could be if we had a functioning Congress. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #1
No kidding! Adrahil Jul 2015 #5
Awesome numbers taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #2
Thanks Obama! Botany Jul 2015 #3
Obama biggest failure! liberal N proud Jul 2015 #4
What did President Obama have to do with this? Beauregard Jul 2015 #13
Why are you on Democratic Underground? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #14
Why not? Beauregard Jul 2015 #15
Think a crashed economy liberal N proud Jul 2015 #16
Oh? Beauregard Jul 2015 #17
When you consider the cost of doing nothing... liberal N proud Jul 2015 #28
"Nothing" was not the only alternative. Beauregard Jul 2015 #30
Do you think that is ever going to happen in this country? liberal N proud Jul 2015 #31
With the right leadership, yes. Beauregard Jul 2015 #33
But did it work? AllTooEasy Jul 2015 #53
The Car Companies Paid Back Every Dime With Interest ProfessorGAC Jul 2015 #34
As did the banks Recursion Jul 2015 #65
This happened under Bush....not Obama. Lochloosa Jul 2015 #60
The bailout didn't "cost" anything; it made money for the government (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #64
Contrary to all evidence.... Lochloosa Jul 2015 #22
So "trickle down" works? Beauregard Jul 2015 #23
Chart 1 shows the results of the Stimulas package. We were losing 800K jobs a month. Lochloosa Jul 2015 #59
Yeah, NOT trickle down. Adrahil Jul 2015 #71
This is the chart that worries me - jonno99 Jul 2015 #27
Wow! Beauregard Jul 2015 #32
The trend downward started in 2000. DCBob Jul 2015 #43
Please look at this report... Adrahil Jul 2015 #72
This was predicted 10 years go by the BLS taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #48
I think this decline is due more to the baby boomers aging than Obama's policies. Lochloosa Jul 2015 #57
No doubt that is a piece of it. I just see too many out of work, underemployed, and on foodstamps.nt jonno99 Jul 2015 #58
Why are you against people retiring? (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #66
He repaired the economy the GOP smashed into pieces. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #29
Clue... DCBob Jul 2015 #41
Brilliant riposte! Beauregard Jul 2015 #42
Me thinketh thou should Pulleth thy headeth Darb Jul 2015 #63
Not a deep thinker, eh? nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #73
yay! tazkcmo Jul 2015 #6
To hopefully forestall the inevitable doomer FUD.... whatthehey Jul 2015 #7
VVVVVV******like the poser below?******VVVVVV Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #10
U.S. jobless claims drop to 41-1/2-year low lsufan59 Jul 2015 #8
I am sorry. Being laid off is no fun. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2015 #11
Is an upturn in oil/gas prices a progressive agenda? AllTooEasy Jul 2015 #54
Obama is a Communist and a Muslin. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #9
Labor particpation rate lowest since 1970. Beauregard Jul 2015 #12
So tell your Republican Congress .... CANDO Jul 2015 #18
"Lurking con"? :) Beauregard Jul 2015 #21
Completely unrelated to jobless claims taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #19
It's the obverse of the original post. Beauregard Jul 2015 #20
start your own Damn thread then taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #24
I think I'll keep posting in this thread. Beauregard Jul 2015 #40
Look deeper. Adrahil Jul 2015 #70
Thanks. I added that link to mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2015 #74
Ahhh ... the RW search for a new metric when the standard metrics don't support their ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #38
Read this and educate yourself.. DCBob Jul 2015 #47
Highly related to Baby Boomer deaths and retirements AllTooEasy Jul 2015 #55
Put the boomers to work!!! joshcryer Jul 2015 #69
Thats amazing numbers considering most all 'laid off' workers can get unemployment & Sunlei Jul 2015 #25
Well duh!!!! unemployment benefits have been cut to draconian levels. 1.3 million were kicked off fasttense Jul 2015 #26
Honestly this post could not be more wrong taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #35
Yes, yes, yes it's initial. But do you NOT think people are noticing? fasttense Jul 2015 #50
You clearly do not understand what this data is or what it means. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #36
People who are dropped from their unemployment benefits tell others fasttense Jul 2015 #51
So you lose your job, but you don't apply for benefits that you deserve ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #61
These are great numbers Gothmog Jul 2015 #37
It's the McJobs factor. Wages are going to hell. Beauregard Jul 2015 #39
Your graph does not say what you imply. jeff47 Jul 2015 #45
Thanks. Here's something from the BLS. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2015 #49
Note this graph displays % change.. not actual earnings which are going up. DCBob Jul 2015 #46
Zero Hedge? taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #56
That graph says real wages are higher now than in 2007 (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #67
The idiot Republicans will dismiss this as statistical noise. DCBob Jul 2015 #44
Idiot republicans will ignore this and bring up the labor force participation rate taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #52
But.. but.. "socialist" Obama is ruining the economy question everything Jul 2015 #62
I blame Obama GOLGO 13 Jul 2015 #68
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