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heaven05

(18,124 posts)
126. A local issue? A local issue
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:03 PM - Edit history (2)

from your perspective and your analysis is flawed completely. Eric Holder and the JD did NOTHING to help POC. Why? Well seeing where he landed after "retirement" I can see why. I think the POTUS is subject to the money interests of this country. He/she will never be anything more unless they buck the money system and we know where that can end. To start with your requested answer. A national set of guidelines to local militarized police forces to follow would help. Do you shoot an unarmed person while they are running? No. We will see where that SC cop ends up as the trial get started. Do you end up hanging a person because they were verbally "combative" at a bullshit stop and at a cop it seems was not going to let her smoke her cigarette and from what I understand was intentionally disrespectful to Sandra Bland. She stood up for her rights as a non privileged POC and died for doing that and offending the new massa and overseer, the white LEO, evidently. A national set of procedures that must be followed in stops like this would help. Better training and more stringent psychological screening to weed out the many thugs posing as cops would help. You understand the frustration of POC? Do you now? I can't believe that when racism in american culture is NOT A LOCAL PROBLEM as assessed by you. How could you even think that would pass?

All you pretenders who claim an understanding of the frustration of POC always end up talking about "magical" this and "magical" that when it comes to systemic and institutionalized racism and how this system can rid itself of them.

A black child in the "inner city", code word you know, has no chance to get a proper education with funds diverted into other areas(charter schools) that WILL NOT serve every child compared to the schools in the more upscale communities that have everything white privilege can buy to guarantee that privileged child a good education. Systemic racism stops funds from reaching those schools in the "inner city", institutionalized racism prevent those children of color from getting the best teachers and training the more upscale, privileged children get K-12. Make the educational system equal in tools to educate children. Make sure, with whatever oversight needed by a diverse group, that the tools and money to buy those tools to educate, computer, modern, not historically racist revised learning tools are equitably dispensed in "inner city" schools as in privileged upscale schools. Be a damn good start. In a generation POC would have the same advantage(ohhh scary) needed to vie for that job as a privileged person has. Now if we had a national set of criteria to judge those job applicants on, regardless of and exempting race as it is not exempted now, then equality can be achieved and white privilege knocked down to size.

Look I don't know what you're looking for but your "racism is a local issue" caused me to almost ruin my keyboard with my drink, and not take your interest in a answer seriously. That pretty much told me what your line of thinking is, privileged and insulated from the national tragedy and reality of american cultural, systemic, institutionalized and nationally pervasive racism as it is. With your assessment of racism as "a local problem" I really have given you more than I think you deserve. Have a good one.

It was just disgraceful. SoapBox Jul 2015 #1
I guess the concept of maintaining dignity is long gone from our society in general uhnope Jul 2015 #19
YOU WIN THE THREAD. The dignity of the people, not the pols and pundits. After 50 years... freshwest Jul 2015 #56
+10000000000000000! sheshe2 Jul 2015 #112
and some of you wonder why Clinton skips these dog and pony shows wyldwolf Jul 2015 #22
There's an answer for that... msrizzo Jul 2015 #54
No wonder. Fear. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #87
No, Hillary is a strong woman.. she's not in "fear" of anything. Cha Jul 2015 #141
Yes she is. Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #150
Thank you for your compassionate post, AL Cha Jul 2015 #153
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #159
Obama is the president. Why aren't they demonstrating against him? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #98
You always ask the candidates about these issues! That's why we have political campaigns! Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #134
NormallBernie JDPriestly Jul 2015 #146
You're reacting as if this was a personal insult to the candidates, Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #151
I do think Sanders is strong on these issues. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #158
Obama wasn't there. The two progressives who want to succeed his presidency were there. CTyankee Jul 2015 #169
I agree with you very much about the importance of the issues the Black Lives Matter JDPriestly Jul 2015 #183
I don't know whether you have/are walking in their shoes. I know I'm not and have not. CTyankee Jul 2015 #185
Bernie Sanders has been a strong advocate for the rights of African-Americans for 50 years. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #187
can't you see how your advice could be interpreted as "let us white people tell you black CTyankee Jul 2015 #188
Hey! It's my opinion. They can take it or leave it. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #189
In the short run, it can be the way you see it. In the long run, however, it can shake CTyankee Jul 2015 #190
For years the Department of Justice has been investigating racism in local police departments... CBHagman Jul 2015 #200
I would not denounce the people who are working on police brutality issues as the cause of t JDPriestly Jul 2015 #201
So sad to see someone DU serve as an example of the backfire effect and moving the goalposts. CBHagman Jul 2015 #202
Fostering something is not causing it. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #203
but just earlier today Clinton was being hammered for not being there..... George II Jul 2015 #106
Demanding equal rights is not disgraceful. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #152
The method is as important as the message n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #171
So you think that if someone doesn't say please and thank you may I be free, they don't deserve it. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #175
It's an issue of what is effective TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #179
The death toll in the streets show listening is not effective. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #180
excellent heaven05 Jul 2015 #2
when you have spent your entire life fighting racial injustice.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #6
okay heaven05 Jul 2015 #7
I don't find it offensive, and I understand it. virtualobserver Jul 2015 #78
Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland and all the deaths in between happened on Obama's watch. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #95
Yeah, it is all Obama's fault, that's good still_one Jul 2015 #128
It's Obama's fault. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #131
Yet a white Southerner, Lyndon Johnson, signed the Civil Rights Act. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #148
How is a black man going to end white racism? bravenak Jul 2015 #160
End white racism? That's something tha only white racists can do. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #161
That is a very interesting answer, thank you for responding. bravenak Jul 2015 #162
Yes. Think of Medgar Evers, and so, so, so many others. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #163
Yes. And we can work on ending the mass incarceration and police violence too. bravenak Jul 2015 #164
Yes. I was talking to a mother today whose children have been in court with JDPriestly Jul 2015 #165
O'Malley was a get-tough on crime mayor -- not someone who spent his pnwmom Jul 2015 #9
I was thinking more of Sanders.... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #10
Obama has been president for six years during which racism has exhibited itself in police JDPriestly Jul 2015 #102
BLM protested during Obama's speech at Selma this year. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #173
Utter frustration! JDPriestly Jul 2015 #181
+1 The Wizard Jul 2015 #46
Exactly. This isn't Code Pink deservedly slamming Condi. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #48
+1000 MissDeeds Jul 2015 #74
So what is the answer to the question? How do you think they could possibly do what was asked? A Simple Game Jul 2015 #8
So it isn't possible heaven05 Jul 2015 #17
There is lots that can be done and you know it as well as I do. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #29
yeah heaven05 Jul 2015 #57
What has Obama, a Black man, done about this racism? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #122
Has nothing to do with Obamas strengths or weaknesses heaven05 Jul 2015 #132
What has Obama done to make sure that Black Lives Matter? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #147
At the very least, Obama could have seen that federal TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #170
My view precisely. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #182
the Justice hill2016 Jul 2015 #186
Thank you on the compliment, and you aren't so bad yourself. Very nice post. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #127
I want specifics as to what can be done to end "structural racism." WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #50
I just want to see a plan heaven05 Jul 2015 #59
These questions need to be addressed to the sitting president first. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #113
So why not take this issue to Obama Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #129
I'm more than sure heaven05 Jul 2015 #140
apparenty Obama couldn't do anything to prevent all the racial incidents m-lekktor Jul 2015 #26
Complete dismantling is an impossible expectation. Much time will be needed and then A Simple Game Jul 2015 #30
It is troubling PDittie Jul 2015 #32
"Structural racism" isn't what's in people's hearts starroute Jul 2015 #68
And there you go. +1. nt nc4bo Jul 2015 #93
Sister Oso was respectful yet Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #24
Hillary has the ability to listen to the voices if she chooses. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #33
It wasn't confrontation Warpy Jul 2015 #34
It was just plain Narcississism. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #55
Yeah, that's my take on it Warpy Jul 2015 #58
So did the protestors have like a list of legislation or other ideas to present to the candidates? hollowdweller Jul 2015 #138
I don't think they had any proposals... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #142
if you say so heaven05 Jul 2015 #66
Then do this at the racist cops, not at people who are running for office to make a difference Warpy Jul 2015 #70
like I'm saying and going to say over and over heaven05 Jul 2015 #72
+1. Want the vote? Address the issues, period. nc4bo Jul 2015 #81
ambush and push back romanic Jul 2015 #166
and I repeat heaven05 Jul 2015 #168
they took over, wasted a lot of time, demanded that O'Malley answer their question and then wouldn't magical thyme Jul 2015 #156
I am going to take the heaven05 Jul 2015 #172
what did they accomplish? did they get answers? no. Did they learn how O'Malley or Sanders plans to magical thyme Jul 2015 #178
oh yeah? heaven05 Jul 2015 #184
President Obama has been president now for about 6 years. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #90
A local issue? A local issue heaven05 Jul 2015 #126
I very much agree with your proposals for a campaign to reduce the racism JDPriestly Jul 2015 #149
YES! votesparks Jul 2015 #177
Bernie Sanders' response: Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #3
is there a video? Vattel Jul 2015 #4
There's a video at the web site but, not sure if it shows the "disruption"... DonViejo Jul 2015 #5
video here you go. Hard to watch. uhnope Jul 2015 #15
She is so riversedge Jul 2015 #49
Thank you for posting that. MH1 Jul 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author uhnope Jul 2015 #12
I wonder how long it will take..... BooScout Jul 2015 #11
I don't blame anyone........ virtualobserver Jul 2015 #13
Yes, must be her fault. lol Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #16
I bet it's why she didn't attend..... BooScout Jul 2015 #18
You think? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #21
Months ago she committed to the Jefferson Jackson Dinner in Arkansas being held tonight.... George II Jul 2015 #116
Shhhhhh George...... BooScout Jul 2015 #121
Sorry........ George II Jul 2015 #124
Now you're just being silly...... BooScout Jul 2015 #139
... George II Jul 2015 #143
... BooScout Jul 2015 #144
Too late it already has. :-) nt msrizzo Jul 2015 #27
Well ... it didn't take long ... Not long at all. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #53
I think it already has been discussed and she was 'found wanting.' freshwest Jul 2015 #69
Not her fault, she just benefits from it. jeff47 Jul 2015 #77
I wonder how many people who disapprove of this criticized Clinton for not attending NN15. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #14
We should take a poll on Facebook to find out! BooScout Jul 2015 #20
It was already mentioned in a thread somewhere earlier. She was dissed for it. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author 7962 Jul 2015 #23
As a Bernista, I found this video to be quite informative 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #25
+1000 It is civil disobedience, open protest - what do you want? Free speech zones? whereisjustice Jul 2015 #28
Narcissism uhnope Jul 2015 #61
Then black people are nothing but narcissists for speaking out nc4bo Jul 2015 #85
Won't be provoked by your race-bating uhnope Jul 2015 #89
Your attempt to shame me is no concern of mine. nt nc4bo Jul 2015 #92
I said "should" not "will". but keep alienating allies if that's yr thing uhnope Jul 2015 #94
Say what? nc4bo Jul 2015 #100
They had a private meeting with Sanders scheduled after the speech. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #103
Did some one interview the protesters? nc4bo Jul 2015 #107
When causing a disruption to get camera time... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #145
Should we write off the entire gay rights movement as "narcisssists" who should be collectively Chakab Jul 2015 #97
DUers, what would your "plan" entail to dismantle structural racism? WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #31
Bernie talked about that at length, but... Kalidurga Jul 2015 #36
I'm more in line with your thinking, but many are pushing "social injustice"... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #42
I want to hear from those folks EXACTLY WHAT they would do to end structural racism. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #45
My hunch is O'Malley and Sanders were not adequately briefed 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #60
I asked my 20YO grandson how he would end racism. djean111 Jul 2015 #38
That's pretty much how I see it. I'm wondering exactly what the protesters... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #43
Is Ms. Oso planning on disrupting the Republican candidates when they are in Phoenix? red dog 1 Jul 2015 #35
Better to make our candidates, any of whom would run DOJ's that will turn PD's upside-down BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #37
Netroots Nation is now dead to me. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #39
Very disappointing....it's ruined for me as well. haikugal Jul 2015 #83
The Hill has several video's --from the stage and the audience views.... riversedge Jul 2015 #40
Thanks for that link red dog 1 Jul 2015 #47
GOP paid agitators. The Wizard Jul 2015 #41
DUZY nomination! BooScout Jul 2015 #44
More like Hillary's. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #52
it doesn't take a conspiracy uhnope Jul 2015 #64
Too early to tell. But it was either deliberate or stupid to hurt your most sincere and empathetic GoneFishin Jul 2015 #65
I doubt it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #73
Rove's fingerprints? rocktivity Jul 2015 #84
Counterproductive, IMO.... groundloop Jul 2015 #62
Funny, I remember people here cheering the LGBT rights protesters who disprupted speeches by the Chakab Jul 2015 #76
^^^^ + 1,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 DonViejo Jul 2015 #99
I tried to bump the threads, but the system wouldn't let me. Chakab Jul 2015 #105
Perhaps they could do this at a GOP event instead. progressoid Jul 2015 #63
Sure they do but the message isn't being received by black voters. nc4bo Jul 2015 #86
"We're getting nowhere in Iraq, so let's invade Canada." GoneFishin Jul 2015 #67
This is a good article on what happened stuckinodi Jul 2015 #75
Good article, but I don't think Bernie blew it TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #174
Sometimes you have to put it out there. nc4bo Jul 2015 #79
Yep...... msrizzo Jul 2015 #82
You'd have a point if both O'Malley and Sanders had not already made it a part of their speeches. jeff47 Jul 2015 #88
More black people need fo hear the messages. nc4bo Jul 2015 #91
And shouting over the candidates fixes that how? jeff47 Jul 2015 #96
Squeaky wheels get the grease. nt nc4bo Jul 2015 #101
Or replaced. Nt HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #104
With what? Good luck winning any national election without the black vote. Chakab Jul 2015 #108
Good luck under the Republican who wins. jeff47 Jul 2015 #114
Wasn't the last Democrat who was in office one of the politicians most reponsible for pushing Chakab Jul 2015 #119
The fucking difference is both O'Malley and Sanders want to reverse that. jeff47 Jul 2015 #120
Message not being received by target audience. nc4bo Jul 2015 #123
Or the target audience will have to actually listen jeff47 Jul 2015 #125
If a politician can't handle this then perhaps becoming POTUS isn't nc4bo Jul 2015 #133
They handled it fine. jeff47 Jul 2015 #135
Try replacing a voting bloc. nc4bo Jul 2015 #109
Amazing that people on a Democratic message board will be so quick to tell the most loyal Chakab Jul 2015 #111
Why? When it's obvious that "wheel" is not going to ever be satisfied jeff47 Jul 2015 #110
Oh fucking shit. DU's really showing what a "tolerant" forum it is on this one. Chakab Jul 2015 #115
Revealing isn't it? nt nc4bo Jul 2015 #117
An intolerant form wouldn't have people talking to you. jeff47 Jul 2015 #118
With the GOPers and their gerrymandered districts set in stone at the moment.... wolfie001 Jul 2015 #80
Structural racism HassleCat Jul 2015 #130
I think the answer you have given is a very reasonable one which would work Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #136
She wanted to hear specific proposals, not the categories you have cited. Everybody wants them. CTyankee Jul 2015 #191
This is a tempest in a teacup imthevicar Jul 2015 #137
More shouting in the echo chamber architect359 Jul 2015 #154
Some folks would rather get attention and set their cause back... Henryville Jul 2015 #155
I look forward to Oso disrupting any upcoming GOP rallys next. romanic Jul 2015 #157
They just might but no one would be holding their breath......hoping nc4bo Jul 2015 #192
It's not about helping romanic Jul 2015 #195
Good cause. Wrong crowd. Vinca Jul 2015 #167
RIGHT crowd. nt nc4bo Jul 2015 #193
Is it a new tactic? Alienating your supporters? I don't get it. Vinca Jul 2015 #198
Isn't that disorganizing ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #176
Why do you say that? nc4bo Jul 2015 #194
Wow. A video version of a DU "white privilege" thread! Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #196
I have no problem with protests davidpdx Jul 2015 #197
I'm not sure is this the way to get your point across. alarimer Jul 2015 #199
The irony is that this probably benefits Clinton whose policy initiatives and past work... Chan790 Jul 2015 #204
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