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byronius

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Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:11 PM Dec 2017

A Short Note On Christian Atheism. [View all]

I was taking the cat poop out to the dumpster last night at about 9:30 PM -- we sponsor three feral cats who live in our building -- and I saw a young woman hovering around the dumpsters. I routinely talk to the homeless who haunt the business park dumpsters at night, mostly because I spent a year as a homeless person, and understand how it happens to people.

The young woman was perhaps in her late twenties, shy and raggedly dressed. I said hello, and asked her how she was.

"Do you have any extra food?" she replied. Her voice was warm and intelligent. She had what some would call buck teeth, and was trying to hide them, but her eyes were quite clear and personable. Most of the homeless I speak to by the dumpster are just that -- intelligent, warm, human -- always concerned about my reaction at first, because I look just like a conservative. Once they read the complete lack of judgment they relax and open up.

I said no at first, and then remembered -- "How about a loaf of bread?" My lunch stuff. I'd forgotten my lunch stuff. She said yes, absolutely, and I said I'd be back in a minute. She met me out in back of the building, and I gave her almost a full loaf of Dave's Killer Bread (so good, and he hires only recovering ex-felons), a bag of carrots, an apple, and some string cheese.

She was grateful, disappeared around the corner, and that was that.

Here is my point: I'm an atheist. Certainly I'm a tree-hugging dirt-worshipping nature boy who reads a lot of the new wild-assed quantum physics books and thinks that it's probably the strongest argument possible for some type of innate intelligent order based on particulate consciousness, but I could never be a practicing Christian.

My grandmother was. She was a devout Southern Baptist who never spoke about her faith -- she thought it was un-Christian to do so, and instead focused on helping and feeding people without any religious overtones whatsoever. She'd had a dream about walking with Jesus in the Garden, she once told me when we got stoned together (she was 82), and that was the basis for her beliefs, nothing more, nothing less. Feed the poor, care for the children, love, the end.

Here's my problem -- the Bible is pretty goddamned clear about this stuff. For a practicing Christian to hoard wealth while a single human being goes hungry anywhere in the world should be ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN BY THEIR FAITH.

For a practicing Christian to go to a service in a clean, warm and well-lit church where security guards roam the perimeter to exclude the rough-looking should be ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN BY THEIR FAITH.

For a practicing Christian to exclude anyone from their company or concern for any reason whatsoever, be it race or religion or sexual orientation or criminal history should be ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN BY THEIR FAITH.

For a practicing Christian to admit to these cognitive dissonances by insisting that the Lord forgives their transgressions as they continue to commit them should be ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN BY THEIR FAITH.

Yet many large churches commit these social crimes regularly, from the pulpit, in word and in deed.

Dial it down to this nation alone. As long as any American citizen is hungry or homeless, I do not think anyone should be allowed to hoard any wealth at all. I think there are more than enough houses for everyone, more than enough food, more than enough medical supplies and clothing for every single American citizen, and if custom prevents us as citizens from solving the clear need of our fellow citizens, then that is the most stark argument in favor of the fact that we are effed up, crazy, full of shit, and undeserving of God's grace in any measure.

I'm an atheist. And yet I'm a better Christian than most Christians. And what I saw in that young woman's eyes -- not a lost soul, just a human being under stress and looking for a little food on a cold night -- burned me. It burned me.

We suck. And we have to do better. And False Faith is worse than no faith at all.



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Preach brother. I try to remind these so called "Christians" about this all the time, but hey Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #1
You are a good person. genxlib Dec 2017 #2
Christianity is not monolythic.... ollie10 Dec 2017 #3
Christianity is not monolythic MaybeBaby Dec 2017 #73
Pro-life is one thing... ollie10 Dec 2017 #86
they really are pro-birth..............waiting for the second coming Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #95
+1000! Rhiannon12866 Dec 2017 #106
Definitely! If you're "pro-life," you can't deny the reality of climate change, either. calimary Dec 2017 #109
You're not a better Christian, you're a better person than most Christians. NightWatcher Dec 2017 #4
Christians staking a claim on morality is one of my pet peeves genxlib Dec 2017 #5
most believers hate this argument if they can even process it. unblock Dec 2017 #8
This statement: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #15
I'm a Christian, and I agree. dawg Dec 2017 #91
5. Christians staking a claim on morality is one of my pet peeves MaybeBaby Dec 2017 #75
Thanks...Welcome to DU genxlib Dec 2017 #77
Recommended, with reservations. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #6
K & r LAS14 Dec 2017 #13
K&R. nt Ilsa Dec 2017 #17
Hi there, sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #30
And me also. All of us. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #36
We've been afforded the ultimate forgiveness. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #44
"It is beyond difficult at times. " AMEN !!! I'm having a hard time thinking of doing such with ... uponit7771 Dec 2017 #49
The human flesh part of our being bucks sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #50
"Let them come to the end of themselves." sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #51
Thx for this !!! uponit7771 Dec 2017 #58
Respectfully, the refererence to Mary Magdalene is totally incorrect. olegramps Dec 2017 #64
John 8:11 guillaumeb Dec 2017 #72
Agin, respectfully, what does 8:11 have to do with Mary Magdalene? olegramps Dec 2017 #113
I was taught a different interpretation. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #114
Forgiveness. Stonepounder Dec 2017 #69
Agreed, thus the admonition to go and sin no more. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #74
You can forgive offenses without receiving an apology from another. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #79
Just because you don't forgive someone doesn't mean it has to eat at you. Stonepounder Dec 2017 #93
What about when Christ said, "Father, forgive them." sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #105
Sit at the welcome table struggle4progress Dec 2017 #7
An excellent song. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #14
Thank you for what you did. Aristus Dec 2017 #9
Ditto iluvtennis Dec 2017 #20
If you want a text for that, there is one Maeve Dec 2017 #10
i'm also an atheist, but i follow the golden rule. DesertFlower Dec 2017 #11
Thanks! It's taken me a while to realize... LAS14 Dec 2017 #12
Well said! mcar Dec 2017 #16
I see Dave's Bread advertised from time to time in the weekly specials sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #45
K & R Duppers Dec 2017 #18
Sympathy and kindness seemed to be safeinOhio Dec 2017 #19
Amen BadgerMom Dec 2017 #21
I wouldn't call myself an atheist, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #22
these evangelicals' real religion is a mix of wall street capitalism and white nationalism paulkienitz Dec 2017 #23
Two words spike jones Dec 2017 #24
You speak for me, an atheist and former Christian. ancianita Dec 2017 #25
Denying the poor their wages and further oppression of them Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #26
These. They clamor unto Heaven. eom sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #47
This is the Christianity I was raised with MountCleaners Dec 2017 #27
The false faith folks are not Christian...they are Trumpians... and should hope there is no God... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #28
Nothing on this planet will ever change disalitervisum Dec 2017 #29
I agree disalitervisum OxQQme Dec 2017 #34
Yes, and thank you for pointing that out disalitervisum Dec 2017 #83
You Certainly Are! kooth Dec 2017 #31
A beautiful post. I just saw a theatrical version of Charles Dicken's "A Christmas Carol" peequod Dec 2017 #32
I can't count the number of times the thought floated through my head... JHB Dec 2017 #33
I Just Laugh RobinA Dec 2017 #43
In the 1800's, Native American chiefs visited Washington DC Martin Eden Dec 2017 #35
You really can't generalize Christians, and you can't define Christianity. Mariana Dec 2017 #37
Reverend Sun Myung Moon wholeheartedly embraced the bible. byronius Dec 2017 #38
And? Mariana Dec 2017 #39
Oh, I'm agreeing with you. byronius Dec 2017 #40
I 100% agree ... in spirit ... however the overall argument has something of a fatal flaw ... mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #41
I must utterly disagree with your premise. byronius Dec 2017 #42
I am remiss in thanking you for your selflessness in sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #46
K&R... spanone Dec 2017 #48
The Corporal Works of Mercy. Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #52
These. eom sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #80
My wife said Youre the best Christian I know Nevernose Dec 2017 #53
Religion on balance has. Snackshack Dec 2017 #54
I think you did what Jesus would have done. hamsterjill Dec 2017 #55
I too am an athiest... Javaman Dec 2017 #56
Christianity is the state religion of the Roman Empire. It changed a lot in the first 300 years. FarCenter Dec 2017 #57
The problem is... floWteiuQ Dec 2017 #59
Whenever right wing nuts treestar Dec 2017 #60
Hey byronius, seems to me you get the message of Christ calimary Dec 2017 #61
Preach it, my sister in Christ! Thank you. n/t sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #81
It's just the Catholic school thing. calimary Dec 2017 #108
The Republican platform would have us ignore entire swaths of humanity as unworthy of assistance. Orsino Dec 2017 #62
There's also something about not judging others. JayhawkSD Dec 2017 #63
You speak for me so much. Thank you for a wonderful post. And Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #65
I truly appreciate people like you Victor_c3 Dec 2017 #66
False Faith is worse than no faith at all. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #67
I don't think you are an Atheist... HopeAgain Dec 2017 #68
Thank you! When I was reading your post Lifelong Protester Dec 2017 #70
This is "The Way". eom sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #82
I am an atheist angrychair Dec 2017 #71
No, please don't. This is not 'truth'. n/t sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #84
It actually represents the viewpoint of mainstream Christian faith. trotsky Dec 2017 #89
What 'largest' Christian church is being referenced here. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #99
Uh... trotsky Dec 2017 #110
In general and in particular. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #115
Dear God. Who is 'they'? As far as the Bible is concerned...😔 sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #85
With all due respect angrychair Dec 2017 #92
Are you able to provide the text from this Aramaic to English version? sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #100
Thank you for posting this. Doing the right thing is not about religion. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #76
Evangelical Christianity has become politicized. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #78
I am a Christian, and I used to work for a homeless shelter shenmue Dec 2017 #87
Yeah, I said 'most'. As in Prosperity Gospel Trumpian Roy Moore types. byronius Dec 2017 #88
I think you forgot to turn the other check Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #96
Check? And I did tell you a fact shenmue Dec 2017 #97
Dude, if you're caring for homeless people, this post is not about you. byronius Dec 2017 #98
I see--you're one of those holier-than-thou Christians. Orrex Dec 2017 #112
What makes me uncomfortable with this... trotsky Dec 2017 #90
Pardon, but around here, one is damned if they do say and damned if they don't say. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #102
Thanks for your response. n/t trotsky Dec 2017 #111
What part of my response? The aspirin part? 😁 sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #120
I just saw this: sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #116
I have no idea what you're talking about. trotsky Dec 2017 #117
If something charitable is offered, that's hooey. If something taken as critical sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #118
I have no idea what you're talking about. n/t trotsky Dec 2017 #119
You are goading me and I ain't going in that direction. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #121
Amen jpak Dec 2017 #94
Every good story begins with "I was taking the cat poop out to the dumpster..." gtar100 Dec 2017 #101
I was just about to post something on this order! sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #103
I've had long, loud arguments with Christians friends and families about the uselessness of... TlalocW Dec 2017 #104
You were appreciative that you had an abundance of sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #107
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