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In reply to the discussion: A message to those who wish to ban or restrict guns: Give up. [View all]nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)168. The arc of history is long
And trends toward justice.
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Historically gun control issues have lead to defeats for the Democratic Party. I assume you care
ProgressiveProfessor
Jul 2012
#47
The defining one in California was Prop 15 and Tom Bradley in the 1982 general election
ProgressiveProfessor
Jul 2012
#115
Right. When things just become intolerable for the high and mighty, they are finally changed.
JDPriestly
Jul 2012
#148
No, he is not trying to "help" you, he is telling you that you are wasting your time.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#90
I cannot say that they are considered heroes right now, and I am not clairvoyant, so...
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#144
Gun nuts consider the NRA to be heroes. They're fighting the good fight.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2012
#235
And gun grabbers are not fighting the good fight. They are fighting the wrong fight.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#284
"Gun Grabbers" just doesn't have much sting to it. Certainly not as much as recent events.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2012
#285
Current reality and political discourse suggests that gun ownership rights will continue to expand.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#155
I think responses like that only serve to give them the percieved satisfaction of having the
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#183
And I've responded to those people. At least they brought something to the table.
Pamela Troy
Jul 2012
#129
That's the problem, they're not. Somebody has the data on one of these threads,
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2012
#219
So you are willing to disarm the weak and leave them to the mercy of the predators in our society
ProgressiveProfessor
Jul 2012
#48
You misunderstand. The predators will also give up their weapons if a law is passed
shadowrider
Jul 2012
#85
Great advice: Give up, just at the moment this issue is gaining traction. Thanks for your concern.
leveymg
Jul 2012
#4
"You know when you hear this sort of response, they're afraid something is about to change."
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#93
Do you think there's the *slightest* chance that those numbnut politicians will enact UK-style
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#27
I'm pretty much an agnostic on guns, don't care that much one way or the other..
Fumesucker
Jul 2012
#7
Ahh, I see. Glad I didn't mistake your post for something intelligent to say then.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#178
Enlighten me o wise one: What was said substantially different than my summary?
Pholus
Jul 2012
#224
No, not at all. It find it hillarious when people who have nothing substantial to say feel the need
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#158
And the occasional horrific civilian massacre is just the price the rest of us have to pay.
baldguy
Jul 2012
#22
A background check would not have prevented this horrific event from what we know so far. nt
Mojorabbit
Jul 2012
#40
I'll freely grant that there's far more gun regulation now than before the 1930's.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#68
agreed.... Even a minor Gun Control measure would not get 20 votes in the Senate...n/t
Moltisanti
Jul 2012
#141
I don't follow the NRA so I don't have any idea what their talking points are
Mojorabbit
Jul 2012
#137
Ok, but its clear that the gun show is a small source of private gun exchanges.
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#263
So you want to get rid of all nonchecked private sales, gifts and inheritances?
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#274
I need a license to drive my car. I need insurance for my car. I would need extensive training
2on2u
Jul 2012
#37
If I attempt to drive my car in public (license plate) and I don't have authorization to do
2on2u
Jul 2012
#109
If you attempt to carry gun in public and don't have authorization to do (CCW)
Angleae
Jul 2012
#177
In Texas, you cannot buy a vehicle without a current valid license AND insurance
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#133
You're breaking the law and fraudulently keeping the state of Texas from collecting the tax due
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#286
Actually, you paid money, but own nothing if you didn't transfer title. Just keep ignoring the Texas
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#300
But you don't have to have insurance for the car if it doesn't go on public roads.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2012
#369
You have to have a driver's license AND insurance effective for that vehicle at the moment of title
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#374
Maybe it's just me but don't MOST people who buy vehicles drive them on public roads?
Redford
Jul 2012
#378
True. But the other guy was saying that insurance was ALWAYS required.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2012
#379
Finally, back on topic. Yes, any felon, drunk, druggie, illegal, insane, or other
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#382
I think the points made in my OP stand regardless of my feelings on the matter.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#258
No. Giving up and going to the Gun Free Speach Zone is irrelevant. I think this is a game changer.
Lint Head
Jul 2012
#53
Why would this be a game changer when Virginia Tech, with almost 3 times the deaths, wasn't?
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#56
The gun debate was over the moment the assault weapon ban was passed, and the gun lobby won.
GarroHorus
Jul 2012
#82
Even if you ban all guns they'd still be a black market to get them. All we can really do is try to
craigmatic
Jul 2012
#83
Maybe not after this killing spree. And maybe not the next one when 30 are shot in a mall.
Evoman
Jul 2012
#94
You lost me when you labeled the authoritarian fascist Bloomberg as a liberal
TheKentuckian
Jul 2012
#257
If you want to fight firearms abuse, fight it the same way tobacco is being fought
OmahaBlueDog
Jul 2012
#104
+1. We also changed how people viewed tobacco and banned its use in a lot of public places.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#364
Some day the American people will stand up to the gun nuts. But what on earth will it take?
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2012
#118
We can't remove an anti-trust exemption or stop food stamp cuts or even keep critical firefighters
TheKentuckian
Jul 2012
#299
Not odd at all. After seeing post after post calling for draconian gun control,
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#150
And folks like that are walking around in public with a gun or two strapped on every day.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#366
Nope, voted 5-1 to keep it open, I tried, it insults and disgusts me however
DainBramaged
Jul 2012
#222
Are you trying to get the anti-gun threads whose only contribution to the dialogue is
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#194
And yet you feel threatened enough in the last couple of days to make this post?
Pholus
Jul 2012
#193
SAY I have a question, will you defend the right for Gays to marry as vehemently?
DainBramaged
Jul 2012
#214
Regarding the rest of the world, he knows nothing, just where to get a deal on gun oil
DainBramaged
Jul 2012
#227
Bringing things on-topic...will you grant that your proposal doesn't have the slightest chance
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#232
Mostly, just collect them. I like to have a few hundred rounds for each of my guns.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#246
I hope you realize a few of those rounds are extremely old stock by now
nadinbrzezinski
Jul 2012
#248
30 year old ammo that's been stored under proper conditions is perfectly stable.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#306
Why is it overbuying to have around 300 rounds of ammunition (on average) for each firearm one owns?
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#296
I was speaking of hoarders in general, who hoard other things (that pile up inside their houses).
Demit
Jul 2012
#304
Now, nothing. I don't know you & hopefully don't live near you so it doesn't matter to me.
Demit
Jul 2012
#333
The same people who freak out over gun rights also freak out over TSA searches
starroute
Jul 2012
#234
Support for gun ownership and concealed carry is at an all time high? w/math edit
randr
Jul 2012
#240
name ONE state that has voted AGAINST concealed carry when placed on the ballot?
Logical
Jul 2012
#241
Most here aren't willing to listen to reason on the subject. Not all, thankfully.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#268
And it didn't happen with a vote. Your historical reference is not relevent IMO but actually makes
grantcart
Jul 2012
#276
"In this case activism only promotes opposition and stuffs the coffers of the NRA", 100% agreement.
grantcart
Jul 2012
#316
some of us still want to talk about ideas for saving innocent lives and we're not smug
samsingh
Jul 2012
#326
Would you also object to a post that tells people who own guns that they should have to turn
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#342
I object to any post that asks people to "give up" on a cause they believe in.
Chorophyll
Jul 2012
#344
restricting guns would be just as foolish for the Dems as passing civil rights was in the 60's
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2012
#340
I haven't the faintest idea, but there's no reason to think that 18 years laters the next generation
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#350
Sadly, that's when lots of folks started arming up, packing in public, and supporting right wingers.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#367
Are you under the impression that there *aren't* heavy restrictions on machine gun ownership?
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#362
And a black man could never be President, and Gays would never be allowed in the Military or given
Pisces
Jul 2012
#381
How totally and utterly odd that you would. The poster is a banned repeat troll.
PeaceNikki
Sep 2015
#391