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In reply to the discussion: A message to those who wish to ban or restrict guns: Give up. [View all]kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)162. Bingo!
All they're doing is gloating. They won. We all know it. Now they should go crawl back under their rocks, until the next massacre, when they'll come out to gloat once again.
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Historically gun control issues have lead to defeats for the Democratic Party. I assume you care
ProgressiveProfessor
Jul 2012
#47
The defining one in California was Prop 15 and Tom Bradley in the 1982 general election
ProgressiveProfessor
Jul 2012
#115
Right. When things just become intolerable for the high and mighty, they are finally changed.
JDPriestly
Jul 2012
#148
No, he is not trying to "help" you, he is telling you that you are wasting your time.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#90
I cannot say that they are considered heroes right now, and I am not clairvoyant, so...
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#144
Gun nuts consider the NRA to be heroes. They're fighting the good fight.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2012
#235
And gun grabbers are not fighting the good fight. They are fighting the wrong fight.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#284
"Gun Grabbers" just doesn't have much sting to it. Certainly not as much as recent events.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2012
#285
Current reality and political discourse suggests that gun ownership rights will continue to expand.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#155
I think responses like that only serve to give them the percieved satisfaction of having the
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#183
And I've responded to those people. At least they brought something to the table.
Pamela Troy
Jul 2012
#129
That's the problem, they're not. Somebody has the data on one of these threads,
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2012
#219
So you are willing to disarm the weak and leave them to the mercy of the predators in our society
ProgressiveProfessor
Jul 2012
#48
You misunderstand. The predators will also give up their weapons if a law is passed
shadowrider
Jul 2012
#85
Great advice: Give up, just at the moment this issue is gaining traction. Thanks for your concern.
leveymg
Jul 2012
#4
"You know when you hear this sort of response, they're afraid something is about to change."
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#93
Do you think there's the *slightest* chance that those numbnut politicians will enact UK-style
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#27
I'm pretty much an agnostic on guns, don't care that much one way or the other..
Fumesucker
Jul 2012
#7
Ahh, I see. Glad I didn't mistake your post for something intelligent to say then.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#178
Enlighten me o wise one: What was said substantially different than my summary?
Pholus
Jul 2012
#224
No, not at all. It find it hillarious when people who have nothing substantial to say feel the need
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#158
And the occasional horrific civilian massacre is just the price the rest of us have to pay.
baldguy
Jul 2012
#22
A background check would not have prevented this horrific event from what we know so far. nt
Mojorabbit
Jul 2012
#40
I'll freely grant that there's far more gun regulation now than before the 1930's.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#68
agreed.... Even a minor Gun Control measure would not get 20 votes in the Senate...n/t
Moltisanti
Jul 2012
#141
I don't follow the NRA so I don't have any idea what their talking points are
Mojorabbit
Jul 2012
#137
Ok, but its clear that the gun show is a small source of private gun exchanges.
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#263
So you want to get rid of all nonchecked private sales, gifts and inheritances?
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#274
I need a license to drive my car. I need insurance for my car. I would need extensive training
2on2u
Jul 2012
#37
If I attempt to drive my car in public (license plate) and I don't have authorization to do
2on2u
Jul 2012
#109
If you attempt to carry gun in public and don't have authorization to do (CCW)
Angleae
Jul 2012
#177
In Texas, you cannot buy a vehicle without a current valid license AND insurance
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#133
You're breaking the law and fraudulently keeping the state of Texas from collecting the tax due
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#286
Actually, you paid money, but own nothing if you didn't transfer title. Just keep ignoring the Texas
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#300
But you don't have to have insurance for the car if it doesn't go on public roads.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2012
#369
You have to have a driver's license AND insurance effective for that vehicle at the moment of title
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#374
Maybe it's just me but don't MOST people who buy vehicles drive them on public roads?
Redford
Jul 2012
#378
True. But the other guy was saying that insurance was ALWAYS required.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2012
#379
Finally, back on topic. Yes, any felon, drunk, druggie, illegal, insane, or other
mbperrin
Jul 2012
#382
I think the points made in my OP stand regardless of my feelings on the matter.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#258
No. Giving up and going to the Gun Free Speach Zone is irrelevant. I think this is a game changer.
Lint Head
Jul 2012
#53
Why would this be a game changer when Virginia Tech, with almost 3 times the deaths, wasn't?
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#56
The gun debate was over the moment the assault weapon ban was passed, and the gun lobby won.
GarroHorus
Jul 2012
#82
Even if you ban all guns they'd still be a black market to get them. All we can really do is try to
craigmatic
Jul 2012
#83
Maybe not after this killing spree. And maybe not the next one when 30 are shot in a mall.
Evoman
Jul 2012
#94
You lost me when you labeled the authoritarian fascist Bloomberg as a liberal
TheKentuckian
Jul 2012
#257
If you want to fight firearms abuse, fight it the same way tobacco is being fought
OmahaBlueDog
Jul 2012
#104
+1. We also changed how people viewed tobacco and banned its use in a lot of public places.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#364
Some day the American people will stand up to the gun nuts. But what on earth will it take?
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2012
#118
We can't remove an anti-trust exemption or stop food stamp cuts or even keep critical firefighters
TheKentuckian
Jul 2012
#299
Not odd at all. After seeing post after post calling for draconian gun control,
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#150
And folks like that are walking around in public with a gun or two strapped on every day.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#366
Nope, voted 5-1 to keep it open, I tried, it insults and disgusts me however
DainBramaged
Jul 2012
#222
Are you trying to get the anti-gun threads whose only contribution to the dialogue is
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#194
And yet you feel threatened enough in the last couple of days to make this post?
Pholus
Jul 2012
#193
SAY I have a question, will you defend the right for Gays to marry as vehemently?
DainBramaged
Jul 2012
#214
Regarding the rest of the world, he knows nothing, just where to get a deal on gun oil
DainBramaged
Jul 2012
#227
Bringing things on-topic...will you grant that your proposal doesn't have the slightest chance
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#232
Mostly, just collect them. I like to have a few hundred rounds for each of my guns.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#246
I hope you realize a few of those rounds are extremely old stock by now
nadinbrzezinski
Jul 2012
#248
30 year old ammo that's been stored under proper conditions is perfectly stable.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#306
Why is it overbuying to have around 300 rounds of ammunition (on average) for each firearm one owns?
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#296
I was speaking of hoarders in general, who hoard other things (that pile up inside their houses).
Demit
Jul 2012
#304
Now, nothing. I don't know you & hopefully don't live near you so it doesn't matter to me.
Demit
Jul 2012
#333
The same people who freak out over gun rights also freak out over TSA searches
starroute
Jul 2012
#234
Support for gun ownership and concealed carry is at an all time high? w/math edit
randr
Jul 2012
#240
name ONE state that has voted AGAINST concealed carry when placed on the ballot?
Logical
Jul 2012
#241
Most here aren't willing to listen to reason on the subject. Not all, thankfully.
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#268
And it didn't happen with a vote. Your historical reference is not relevent IMO but actually makes
grantcart
Jul 2012
#276
"In this case activism only promotes opposition and stuffs the coffers of the NRA", 100% agreement.
grantcart
Jul 2012
#316
some of us still want to talk about ideas for saving innocent lives and we're not smug
samsingh
Jul 2012
#326
Would you also object to a post that tells people who own guns that they should have to turn
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#342
I object to any post that asks people to "give up" on a cause they believe in.
Chorophyll
Jul 2012
#344
restricting guns would be just as foolish for the Dems as passing civil rights was in the 60's
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2012
#340
I haven't the faintest idea, but there's no reason to think that 18 years laters the next generation
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#350
Sadly, that's when lots of folks started arming up, packing in public, and supporting right wingers.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#367
Are you under the impression that there *aren't* heavy restrictions on machine gun ownership?
Johnny Rico
Jul 2012
#362
And a black man could never be President, and Gays would never be allowed in the Military or given
Pisces
Jul 2012
#381
How totally and utterly odd that you would. The poster is a banned repeat troll.
PeaceNikki
Sep 2015
#391