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NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:12 PM Dec 2017

Fuck.This.Shit. - HARDER & With a Vengeance [View all]

First, let me congratulate the Democrats who have called for Senator Al Franken’s resignation. Well done, you idiots! If we’ve ever wondered who the spineless are among us, we now know – and we thank you for identifying yourselves.

If Franken tenders his resignation, we lose a very powerful Democratic voice, and a man who has not hesitated to stand up for our party’s interests and ideals, as well as standing up to the Republican forces currently try to dismantle our democracy.

How pathetic that so many of his own party members are willing to throw him under the bus – not based on irrefutable, or even credible, evidence of wrongdoing, but based on he said/she said accusations that have yet to produce any actual proof of anything. Moreover, said accusations only surfaced at a point when the GOP is desperately trying to defend running a credibly-accused child molester to the senate.

The Republican’s traditional political tack – “You put one of ours in the hospital, we put one of yours in the morgue” – has worked extremely well, thanks to those willing to cave in to the party that put a self-admitted sexual predator in the White House.

And what do we gain? Absolutely nothing. And anyone who believes that we are demonstrating adherence to some “higher moral ground” is a damnable fool.

I doubt there is a single Republican voter who will be impressed by Democratic “morality”. They are, after all, the same people who have voted time and again for men who have dumped their wives to marry their mistresses, have had multiple affairs, and have even been named as regular customers at brothels specializing in perverse sexual activities. Those are the people Republican voters call “good Christian men” – and rush to the polls to elect and re-elect without a second thought.

What we lose, along with one of our finest and most effective senators, is the faith of people like myself in my party and its members. My immediate takeaway from this fiasco is the soul-crushing thought that when Republicans accuse any Democrat of sexual misconduct – no matter how flimsy the “evidence”, no matter how obviously politically-motivated – there are Democrats who will abandon their own in order to placate the morally bankrupt on the other side of the aisle.

When a party full of liars accuses one of ours of lying, the response from our side should be a loud FUCK YOU! When a party that elected a pussy-grabber to the presidency accuses one of ours of sexual wrongdoing, the reply should be an even louder FUCK YOU!

We will not gain a single vote by yelling how morally superior we are (or are willing to pretend to be for the sake of political expedience). We will not gain anything politically by demonstrating our willingness to abandon the best and brightest in our ranks based on some ludicrous idea that we are showing American voters that we are somehow more moral than Republicans, because they don’t give a shit – never have, never will.

To say I am disappointed in people like Chuck Schumer, and the other Democrats who have called for Franken’s resignation, would be the understatement of the century. I am absolutely furious that even a single elected Democrat was willing to accept that incredibly flimsy, unproven allegations needed to be acted upon without any investigation – an investigation Franken himself invited the minute such accusations were made.

The message Schumer et al have now conveyed, loudly and clearly, is that when one of ours have accusations leveled against them, they are to be immediately thrown overboard. It’s hard to imagine any message being more detrimental to our party.

What will come of this? If what I have been reading on political and social media sites is any indication, Mr. Schumer and his colleagues can expect a backlash from angry party supporters who are re-thinking their campaign contributions, along with their enthusiasm to promote a party that refuses to have the backs of people like Al Franken.

Franken has worked tirelessly for his constituents, for our party, and for our country. To see party leaders like Schumer spinelessly cave-in to pressure from morally-bankrupt Republicans is beyond what I, for one, can stomach.

If you don’t have Franken’s back, Chuck, you’ve left a lot of Democrats wondering why they should have yours.

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+a million. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #1
Post NOT removed. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #24
I hope you write him and tell him LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #167
I did email him to urge him not to resign, but I'm afraid The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #168
Well said, my dear Nance, and I share your anger. You speak for me! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2017 #2
Damn right Egnever Dec 2017 #3
I did also catrose Dec 2017 #44
Thanks for posting my Sh't List! democratisphere Dec 2017 #103
You left out Warren CountAllVotes Dec 2017 #128
By the end of the day catrose Dec 2017 #164
Right on target. Scarsdale Dec 2017 #98
I sent emails to Franken xxqqqzme Dec 2017 #155
K&R my thoughts exactly. Nt BootinUp Dec 2017 #4
"You put one of ours in the hospital, we put one of yours in the morgue" dalton99a Dec 2017 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author beaglelover Dec 2017 #6
Why am I not surprised? n/t NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #8
And I can't believe it wasn't shut down! Plucketeer Dec 2017 #51
By you? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #10
Yeah, that's it. JFC, no, not by me. I sent her a PM to let her know how I voted. beaglelover Dec 2017 #11
You should self-delete. Somebody is likely to alert on your post. yardwork Dec 2017 #18
I did not alert on it gollygee Dec 2017 #31
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #7
K&R Nance. Whoever alerted on this, please PM me. I have words for you. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #9
Franken should scold "fair weather Democrats" at press conference. oasis Dec 2017 #12
Democrats jumped on board real fast to bring down ACORN. And it was all based on bullshit. rusty quoin Dec 2017 #13
Another example of spinelessness. alarimer Dec 2017 #123
Perfectly stated Bettie Dec 2017 #14
The Democratic Party is making a huge mistake. YOHABLO Dec 2017 #15
Once again world wide wally Dec 2017 #20
Thank you Nance Greggs bdamomma Dec 2017 #16
That's the way I feel Qanisqineq Dec 2017 #33
And we just handed Alabama to Roy Moore. Fuck!!!!!! Initech Dec 2017 #17
K&R uponit7771 Dec 2017 #19
Anybody remember Shirley Sherrod? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #21
Yup snort Dec 2017 #39
Yes. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #50
Of course dalton99a Dec 2017 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #106
Bannon and Breitbart. This operation has their smell all over it. nt oasis Dec 2017 #114
The media wrote that narrative Nevernose Dec 2017 #171
Democrats always bring a copy of Robert's Rules of Order to a knife fight renate Dec 2017 #22
Agreed. NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #25
I remember reading that comment in an earlier post of yours lunasun Dec 2017 #61
Goddamn eloquently right! I've been shouting this early and often all damned day. ancianita Dec 2017 #23
Damn straight! Mme. Defarge Dec 2017 #26
right on. doesn't even have to be sexual misconduct. they don't want Obama to nominate a wiggs Dec 2017 #27
I regret that I have but one rec to give this, Nance... JHB Dec 2017 #28
You always say what I FEEL Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #29
Thank you SHRED Dec 2017 #30
Bravo Nance! This is one of your best yet! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #32
Nance, this is the best thing I have read all day. FuzzyRabbit Dec 2017 #34
Absolutely. n/t NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #49
Spot on pandr32 Dec 2017 #35
This post says it all. Well done! I agree with all of it 100% rainy Dec 2017 #36
The Repugs again have launched an attack TarponSnook Dec 2017 #37
We don't need to have an internal war in our party like the republicans have now. dubyadiprecession Dec 2017 #38
You really think republicans will turn out for us ornotna Dec 2017 #47
Republican women will for sure. dubyadiprecession Dec 2017 #52
Just like they did when they voted for Trump? LisaL Dec 2017 #62
Republican Women lunasun Dec 2017 #64
Have you heard the Republican women ... NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #69
LOL, no they do what their husbands tell them. bettyellen Dec 2017 #77
... Javaman Dec 2017 #79
Republican women vote for a racist pig last time...... stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #101
Oh baloney...if they were not going to turn out to stop the pussy grabber in Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #109
No. They won't Bettie Dec 2017 #120
That is true. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #166
You're so mistaken. herding cats Dec 2017 #170
OMG! NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #58
The high road is the same as having the higher amount of votes in the Presidential election ck4829 Dec 2017 #100
Exactly...worthless. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #110
Fuck the high road...and I would argue ending a distinguished Senator's career using unproven Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #112
If he's actually guilty! Ligyron Dec 2017 #137
thank you for saying this orleans Dec 2017 #40
My most heartfelt thanks for your post! scarletwoman Dec 2017 #41
I know I'm not supposed to say this, and it may get me in trouble mountain grammy Dec 2017 #42
Why would this be juried anyway? Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #113
Good question. I feel that way about most alerted posts I get. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #115
Sometimes...I am amazed when asked to serve. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #117
I know, right? Agree. mountain grammy Dec 2017 #118
Nice post. FWIW I just spent some time contacting Gillibrand and Schumer to let them Persondem Dec 2017 #43
I will confess DonCoquixote Dec 2017 #45
Well said Nance ornotna Dec 2017 #46
Best said. I have told Gillibrand, Harris, Schumer, and the DNC to sinkingfeeling Dec 2017 #48
Agree! Sen Gillibrand led the charge, from the first whisper. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #53
Can you send this to all our senators? Madam Mossfern Dec 2017 #54
I really don't bdamomma Dec 2017 #63
Absolutely spot on. WoonTars Dec 2017 #55
K&R #99 ffr Dec 2017 #56
Thank You Nance! blue-wave Dec 2017 #57
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2017 #59
Exactly! May I add... what about the women who publicly supported Franken? What has that done to chowder66 Dec 2017 #65
If we Democrats want to keep a higher moral ground.... KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2017 #66
Speechless Inblueheaven Dec 2017 #67
Thanks, NanceGreggs. You speak for me. Glorfindel Dec 2017 #68
Not just YES, but a HAYELLLL F***ING YES from this Dem ... mr_lebowski Dec 2017 #70
K&R orangecrush Dec 2017 #71
Thank you TuxedoKat Dec 2017 #72
I wonder how Kirsten Gillibrand Mr. Evil Dec 2017 #73
As a victim of sexual abuse angrychair Dec 2017 #74
Agree. Its heartbreaking to see where so many DUers stand on this once Franken was accused. MadDAsHell Dec 2017 #81
I am more than happy to tell you NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #83
Maybe angrychair Dec 2017 #86
As a victim of sexual abuse Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #107
So very well said! I agree with your thoughts. Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #75
K&R Luciferous Dec 2017 #76
If moore wins, we are done. forget 2018 AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #78
Yes, exactly flamingdem Dec 2017 #92
The only way Moore loses now if he is caught in a motel. alarimer Dec 2017 #124
Bravo wisteria Dec 2017 #80
I keep coming back to this post Bettie Dec 2017 #82
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COLGATE4 Dec 2017 #84
THANK YOU!!! 💞 Duppers Dec 2017 #85
Oh so well said! Blue_Roses Dec 2017 #87
.... Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #88
Your best post ever Nance WyLoochka Dec 2017 #89
I've been very conflicted about this since well before Franken was accused. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #90
Great post. area51 Dec 2017 #91
Hear! Hear! burrowowl Dec 2017 #93
+1,000 58Sunliner Dec 2017 #94
Thank you. I'm disgusted and disappointed. betsuni Dec 2017 #95
Agree Meowmee Dec 2017 #96
Excellent lillypaddle Dec 2017 #97
I always love Nance Gregg OPs! octoberlib Dec 2017 #99
K&R stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #102
If Franken resigns, expect the following: Dale Neiburg Dec 2017 #104
This turn of events is so discouraging liberal N proud Dec 2017 #105
+10000000- Watch the GOP won't seat the replacement before the tax vote and they get it through... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #108
Send this to Franken BigBearJohn Dec 2017 #111
Truth. ananda Dec 2017 #116
hear! hear! k&r Little Star Dec 2017 #119
Absolutely. +1,000 PatrickforO Dec 2017 #121
Chuck Shumer has always been a disappointment. alarimer Dec 2017 #122
I believe we need to see the list of (Dem) senators rock Dec 2017 #125
See post #44 in this thread for the list. WestMichRad Dec 2017 #130
Thanks rock Dec 2017 #131
AMEN!! samnsara Dec 2017 #126
I love this thread Gothmog Dec 2017 #127
I am heartsick. 3catwoman3 Dec 2017 #129
100% in agreement with you, Nance. WestMichRad Dec 2017 #132
Right on! KPN Dec 2017 #133
K and Fucking R! geardaddy Dec 2017 #134
I lost faith in the Democratic Party a long time ago. And I haven't gotten it back. CrispyQ Dec 2017 #135
Thank You Nance. SJMULE Dec 2017 #136
Agree a million percent!!! karin_sj Dec 2017 #138
k and r + several gazillion. niyad Dec 2017 #139
Freepers are now claiming Mueller ignored a culture of sexual harassment at the FBI IronLionZion Dec 2017 #140
Killing our own party Juliusseizure Dec 2017 #141
😭💔🤬😭😭😭😭😭. K,R, sharing. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #142
Weve been glued to nonstop fire news with interludes of political news that makes me... Hekate Dec 2017 #143
Perfect analysis MFM008 Dec 2017 #144
I agree. hamsterjill Dec 2017 #145
No. More. Capitulations. JHB Dec 2017 #146
Well, you win my vote for... Cal Carpenter Dec 2017 #147
Your best "rant" ever! I agree with every word. maddiemom Dec 2017 #148
Perfect! DoctorJoJo Dec 2017 #149
Is there a way to email your post to Shumer and Gillibrand? intheozone Dec 2017 #150
What has taking the high road gotten us? Dopers_Greed Dec 2017 #151
The Dems handed the Republicans a blank check to wage scorched earth policies against Americans eleny Dec 2017 #152
Kudos for great post! ollie10 Dec 2017 #153
COULD. NOT. AGREE. MORE! Raster Dec 2017 #154
Ditto! nm AmericanActivist Dec 2017 #156
....................4 simple words..................NOW, TRUMP MUST RESIGN............... Stuart G Dec 2017 #157
I posted this to another post but fits in this discussion randr Dec 2017 #158
Agreed. NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #159
Your point is what I feel is the most important thing to take from all of this randr Dec 2017 #161
K&R demmiblue Dec 2017 #160
Your editorials are much more cogent than anything I can write. GoneOffShore Dec 2017 #162
Franken has worked tirelessly for his constituents, for our party, and for our country. orbitalman Dec 2017 #163
Right on Nance!!! DDySiegs Dec 2017 #165
Great post! K&R n/t lordsummerisle Dec 2017 #169
K&R MustLoveBeagles Dec 2017 #172
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