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In reply to the discussion: Joy Reid goes below the belt, Jane Sanders responds [View all]PatsFan87
(368 posts)45. That was my thinking as well. He famously flails his arms while giving speeches.
And people take the essay quote out of context. If you read the essay, Bernie is criticizing harmful gender roles in the 1970s. Did he do so in a dumb way? Sure. Does it show he's anti-women? No.
Bernie has a 100% pro-women voting record as scored by Planned Parenthood, Gloria Steinem once called him an "honorary woman", he likes endorsing progressive women of color (Pramila Jayapal & Nanette Barragan are now U.S. reps who beat Dem. challengers, he has endorsed Stacey Abrams for governor of GA). For Joy to try to smear him as anti-women when he's an advocate and there are way bigger anti-women fights we need to be putting our energy towards right now, is just stupid.
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Not just a red herring but an OFFENSIVE red herring. I think a review of the TOS is in order.
George II
Nov 2017
#89
You realize that you're on DEMOCRATIC Underground, and our last Presidential nominee was....
George II
Nov 2017
#87
I have no idea what you mean. I thought this was about Sen. Sanders who is an
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#200
I saw him kind of push his wife away on the video ;I I thought it was not nice.He is not a Democrat.
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#261
It's either about the offense of resources or the defense of tin-gods and sacred cows.
LanternWaste
Nov 2017
#299
She wasn't "attacking" him, she was commenting on his attitude. And he's no longer a "contender".
George II
Nov 2017
#288
You're right... Hillary is beside the point. Still think Joy was being wholly unfair to Bernie.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2017
#238
Back in 2008, she referred to the "erratic gyrations of Hurricane Hillary"...
Dr. Strange
Dec 2017
#347
this whole thread is a shit show..are you going to post this to everyone else you don't agree with?
BoneyardDem
Nov 2017
#328
You were quick to claim my post was rehashing the Primaries....when it was all about Joy
BoneyardDem
Nov 2017
#337
There was a time when you didn't need to claim to be one, it was just assumed
PatsFan87
Nov 2017
#39
She is not a reporter...and Cronkite was certainly not unbiased...his reports helped
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#59
Everyone has a bias. There is no way Cronkite and others of that time were unbiased...
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#155
Exactly, just be honest...tell people where you are coming from...and let them decide.
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#160
If she was a reporter you'd be correct, but she's not a reporter. She doesn't recite news or...
George II
Nov 2017
#108
I don't view her as a reporter but rather a commentator like when she started appearing on MSNBC
eleny
Nov 2017
#61
It has always been BS...and Cronkite and other went way beyond the 'fact' in their coverage of
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#161
Joy is on point. See post 21 on this thread of Sanders ordering his wife to move.
brush
Nov 2017
#92
Joy Reid is not a reporter, she's a political talk show host, and probably among the top...
George II
Nov 2017
#98
As a pundit, Joy is allowed to be biased... and also WRONG, as she clearly is in this case.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2017
#239
I know some here rush to Sen. Sander's defense as they expect him to run in 20 and he may...
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#202
Many folks feel that way...and the party took a hit too...which is why Sen. Sanders should not
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#204
His supporters will either vote for us or not...there is not much we can do.
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#350
I don't think that's correct, she was a Sanders supporter up until the convention.
George II
Nov 2017
#284
I think he was worried that he might accidentally hit her as he gestured while speaking. nt
tblue37
Nov 2017
#24
That was my thinking as well. He famously flails his arms while giving speeches.
PatsFan87
Nov 2017
#45
Mind reading from brief video clips only, even if of poor quality or sound, is an internet passion
Fred Sanders
Nov 2017
#57
It does to me...this is one of the reasons I am not a Sanders supporter for the presidency in 20.
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#206
Looks like she was uncertain were to go and he said. "Don't stand there".
The Wielding Truth
Nov 2017
#167
That is demonstrably untrue. Sanders has a life longrecord on supporting womens rights and fighting
CentralMass
Nov 2017
#78
He was quoted, so no. It's true. He fucked up, big time. Women knew they weren't a priority long
bettyellen
Nov 2017
#142
Yes. I respect his work and from his history I see nothing against women.
The Wielding Truth
Nov 2017
#173
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have a different opinion. Do you understand a large
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#207
He has been fighting his whole life for the disadvantaged. Look at his
The Wielding Truth
Nov 2017
#170
Umm .Certainly Not the Poorest of Sierra Blanca Texas. He fought against them with a House bill!
Wwcd
Nov 2017
#189
Well...it is not going well is it? Grad students are targeted by Trump's tax bill...
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#211
She has a right to her opinion. This is a mild comment...I wonder if Ms. Sanders has any idea how
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#34
More than having a right to have an opinion, she is the EXPERT on her relationship with Bernie!
karynnj
Nov 2017
#49
I think Sen.Sanders plans to run in 20...once you get the presidential fever, it is hard to break.
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#64
Agreed. And that goes for Biden too. But I have to ask: can you imagine if Hillary was planning
StevieM
Nov 2017
#69
It is different for women...Hillary was treated unlike any candidate in history during the primary
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#73
Even now I feel a white hot rage when I think about it...no man would ever have been treated or
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#162
Ugggh, the comments would be awful and a woman of 78 would, on average, be healthier than a man nt
karynnj
Nov 2017
#115
Yep. Women live longer in general...I can imagine the the nasty remarks that would follow she would
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#165
What about abortion rights? What about birth control? We have a situation where
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#265
This is true. we take three steps forward and one step backwords...my Mother did not have her own
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#298
I really did have a rough few years...mostly because I made really bad choices.
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#351
On Inauguration Day in 2021: Biden would be 78; Sander 79; Warren 71; Trump 74 and Hillary 73
Justice
Nov 2017
#233
I don't have to imagine...I can read up on 16 where she was treated worse than any candidate in
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#212
No, presidential fever...It is an old term. You have to try again as this taste of presidential
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#352
Also, I don't believe there is much demand for Sen. Sanders to run... he makes that decision...
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#353
To be fair to Sanders--who I am not a fan of--I think his endorsement, if he doesn't run himself,
StevieM
Nov 2017
#67
Agreed. And Steyer is also a great environmentalist. I think he may surprise people. (eom)
StevieM
Nov 2017
#83
We definitely have to meet up here in early 2019 when the candidates are entering the race.
StevieM
Nov 2017
#119
I am assuming that some of the names I listed may not run. But all of them seem reasonably likely
StevieM
Nov 2017
#146
I wish I could agree with you, but I don't. His comments on planned parenthood and
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#216
They both are within their rights...and those who support Sanders should prepare for an onslaught of
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#213
Agreed! I witnessed Bernie treating his wife rudely a couple of times at campaign events. Is
MojoWrkn
Nov 2017
#267
Good for you Jane. Sometimes the pundits start to feel their oats, not good...n/t
monmouth4
Nov 2017
#3
Please provide a credible link to a DOJ investigation of that sort or of Russian banks.
karynnj
Nov 2017
#27
I'm not sure of the Russian bank part of this, but it's common knowledge that the FBI....
George II
Nov 2017
#65
Like I said, I wasn't sure of the Russian part of it, but there definitely is an investigation....
George II
Nov 2017
#128
Okay, so the standard now is that politicians are responsible for their spouses actions?
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2017
#237
He famously told his wife not to stand next to him on stage while gently pushing her away.
MrsCoffee
Nov 2017
#7
Being able to read minds must be nice. Everyone has their quirks after decades of close marriage.
Fred Sanders
Nov 2017
#14
Yes because telling his wife not to stand next to him during a speech where he famously
PatsFan87
Nov 2017
#23
Joy, Twitrrr is not well suited to making a delicate and highly speculative point. An apology?
Fred Sanders
Nov 2017
#11
I include people who repeatedly trash the Democratic party in that "real enemy" group.
Squinch
Nov 2017
#80
I just checked the last 30 days of his twitter feed. Nothing about Dems or Hillary.
progressoid
Nov 2017
#314
It would be awesone if he fnally realized critisizing Dems and Hillary was damaging to Democrats.
BoneyardDem
Nov 2017
#319
It's also a sign of those with a high I.Q. and socially awkward. Just visit IBM's Poughkeepsie Labs.
TheBlackAdder
Nov 2017
#132
Well said!! There are plenty of legitimate things one can pick on with ANY politician on our side...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2017
#242
That popinjay says whatever makes her the most clicks and consultant money.
Hassin Bin Sober
Nov 2017
#168
Unsure what you're sayin here-was it not a good thing Joy supported Hillary in the general election
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2017
#240
Yeah I am sure Bernie Fans all feel that way..so? Change the channel...it doesn't make a bit of
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#37
I has NOTHING to do with Bernie for me. It's the way she responds to some people
MelissaB
Nov 2017
#41
I said the same thing about how he treated his wife...why is that wrong? And one
Demsrule86
Nov 2017
#54
I agree. TV host greatness does not come automatically with witty or insightful brevity.
Fred Sanders
Nov 2017
#55
Well, that was an out-of-character tweet...inappropriate and disappointing.
Miles Archer
Nov 2017
#38
Needless to say I agree with Joy on most issues, and I agree with her on this one as well. nt
Tarheel_Dem
Nov 2017
#66
Reid has a right to her opinions, but her opinions are important because of her celebrity.
guillaumeb
Nov 2017
#68
There is video and written information on Bernie that proves Joy's point. nt
Blue_true
Nov 2017
#113
Fired? Over-reacting much? Where do you get the idea she's NOT doing her job as a Pundit?
BoneyardDem
Nov 2017
#245
Jane GETS to be the authority on this. Joy Reid nor any DUer has that privilege. End of Discussion.
phleshdef
Nov 2017
#191
No, the fact that his wife is the authority on how her husband treats her makes it so
phleshdef
Nov 2017
#225
Oh dear, you're confused. You think we can't trust what we see and hear and should instead rely on a
bettyellen
Nov 2017
#226
Since Jane is putting herself in the public arena, I have some questions for her:
yardwork
Nov 2017
#199
Yep, I remember him pushing past I think it was Collins trying to get to McCain when he came
seaglass
Nov 2017
#220
I always thought Jane was a little too controlling of Bernie. The larger point is that
Justice
Nov 2017
#235
Joy works for Comcast-one of the big media conglomerates in the US. It's #31 on the
jalan48
Nov 2017
#241
Good luck with your support of Comcast. I'm sure they will do the right thing when
jalan48
Nov 2017
#251
Thanks again for emphasizing that "attacking the messenger" is the only defense you have...
NurseJackie
Nov 2017
#268
Media giant Comcast and it's political commentators leading the charge from the left. Resist!
jalan48
Nov 2017
#272
Did Joy Reid have honesty and integrity in 2008 when she called Hillary an insane racist bent on...
Hassin Bin Sober
Nov 2017
#269
Hillary supporeters likley didn't like it then, JUST like Bernie suporters don't like it now
BoneyardDem
Nov 2017
#273
Sadly if one criticizes one person, the other one immediately gets brought into the discussion.
George II
Nov 2017
#294
What stuns me are white people, assume they are white people, using a black persons concern with
Eliot Rosewater
Nov 2017
#297
I assume the post does not contain your own opinion since you use "excerpts"
BoneyardDem
Nov 2017
#312
So somewhere between 2008 (when those articles were written) and today, Joy Reid..
BoneyardDem
Nov 2017
#320
Well, I don't think that's quite right, she's done some incredible work in dubunking RW tall tales
BoneyardDem
Nov 2017
#326
Is there a link to Joy calling HRC "an insane racist bent on costing Obama the election"?
lapucelle
Dec 2017
#346
take a moment to read through the top 1/3rd of this thread for video and examples
BoneyardDem
Nov 2017
#270
Hillary said less than flattering things about women who accused her husband of affairs
ehrnst
Nov 2017
#277
ahhh. the not so clever comback from the person who refuses to do their own work
BoneyardDem
Dec 2017
#370