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jalan48

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47. Good luck with that approach. I'm sure you'll find people who like to be told what to do.

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A fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between economic and social justice. [View all] Garrett78 Nov 2017 OP

when politician do talk KT2000 Nov 2017 #1

Strange Things Are Taking Place True Blue American Nov 2017 #2

(self-delete) Ken Burch Nov 2017 #3

No, we are not "all united on social justice," ehrnst Nov 2017 #39

I actually self-deleted that when I saw the piece the OP was responding to. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #41

Good observation. ananda Nov 2017 #10

The term "white working class" is over-used by voting surveys. mdbl Nov 2017 #4

+1 for the op and this comment. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #6

Not backwards. BOTH effects are synergistic in a vicious circle. Avoid "chicken or egg" trap. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #5

Why pick one? If you do that, you tell part of your base to wait for their dire needs to be met. Squinch Nov 2017 #8

Woosh. "Pick one" as a STARTING point for ANALYSIS. Then pick the OTHER and see how it is a CIRCLE. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #13

Sigh. Not "woosh." No one is missing your point. It's not that deep. Squinch Nov 2017 #17

Yes, not deep, it's OBVIOUS. But you can't find anything I've written in thread that says "wait" Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #19

Here's where you talk about "doing one first": "if you start with ... bettyellen Nov 2017 #26

Clearly my post is entirely analysis, not prescription. I did not write your false quote. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #29

Bzzzt. That was rude. I read your post the same way Squinch did. kcr Nov 2017 #34

Bzzzt. They & you complain about prescriptions when the post has no prescriptions. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #35

Naaah, it's about the priortization of issues/ which is a legit topic... bettyellen Nov 2017 #59

Read my post #5. It is nothing about prescribing remedies, hence NO PRIORITIZATION therein possible Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #60

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #14

Woosh. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #15

Woosh. The wording makes clear it is ANALYSIS, not prescription. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #20

I got it. CrispyQ Nov 2017 #31

And that's the argument I've been making the whole time...that we don't have to choose Ken Burch Nov 2017 #42

It isn't about choosing so much as recognizing the relationship. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #55

I recognize the relationship. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #58

A FB "friend", who happens to be black and somewhat well-known........ socialist_n_TN Nov 2017 #24

+1 Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #25

Excellent! CrispyQ Nov 2017 #32

Exactly -- chicken or egg. +11111! KPN Nov 2017 #30

As I wrote in response to someone else: Garrett78 Nov 2017 #53

In practice, it is usually difficult to separate economic power from political power: struggle4progress Nov 2017 #7

We have not yet "ultimately won" the fights against racism, sexism and xenophobia. Squinch Nov 2017 #9

That is quite clear, isn't it? struggle4progress Nov 2017 #12

Agreed. And we don't have to put aside the economic struggle to win those fights Ken Burch Nov 2017 #43

Exactly. Work on both simultaneously. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #16

Reparations not a solution. 1) Reconciliation, 2) Truly equal justice, 3) Economic support Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #11

Reconciliation rests on recognition of the wrongs and admission that they WERE wrongs. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #44

Those things you listed are but forms of reparations. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #54

The idea to prioritize the fight for economic injustice seems 2b another trickle down theory. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #18

With all due respect, KPN Nov 2017 #28

So perhaps the GOP party will cease to exist and the Dem party will break into two parties? Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #21

It has been postulated ... ? KPN Nov 2017 #22

That's hardly a broad sweeping statement. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #52

Yeah, I misread or should say read more into your "postulated" statement than you intended KPN Nov 2017 #62

May I pose a question? GaryCnf Nov 2017 #23

First, I wish I had written "desire" instead of "need." Garrett78 Nov 2017 #56

I cannot agree more with the positions set out at the link GaryCnf Nov 2017 #57

Excellent, thoughtful post. yardwork Nov 2017 #27

As I mentioned GaryCnf Nov 2017 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2017 #38

The 1% who control 38% of the wealth in this country would love to make this about race I am sure. jalan48 Nov 2017 #36

Doesn't mean that things aren't about race. Wealthy black men still get stopped for ehrnst Nov 2017 #37

I agree and as a society we need to work to stop racial discrimination and injustice. jalan48 Nov 2017 #40

Europe does not bear that out. ehrnst Nov 2017 #46

Good luck with that approach. I'm sure you'll find people who like to be told what to do. jalan48 Nov 2017 #47

I see plenty of that among many who consider themselves to be the purest ehrnst Nov 2017 #48

Absolutely, keep listening. I'm sure good things will happen. jalan48 Nov 2017 #49

I don't listen to the trope that economic equality and national health mean that sexism and racism ehrnst Nov 2017 #50

Good for you. jalan48 Nov 2017 #51

Agreed. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #45

Wow. ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #61

Thanks for making me aware of this post Garrett78, eloquently stated :) JHan Dec 2017 #63

Sure thing. And thanks. Garrett78 Dec 2017 #64