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Tom Rinaldo

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Mon Sep 18, 2017, 01:08 PM Sep 2017

I am a Democrat [View all]

I am even on the executive committee of our county's Democratic party (trust me, anyone willing to do some good work for the party on a local level can pretty easily "rise" to such "lofty" heights.) So my comments are not those of an "outside agitator" or havens to bid, that of an "Independent".

For me the Democratic Party is a means to an end and not an end in itself. I am puzzled by how so many posters here, IMO, seem to confuse loyalty to the Democratic Party with loyalty to the fight for social change that the Democratic Party is often identified with (usually legitimately, not sometimes not). I work through the Democratic Party for pragmatic, not ideological or sentimental reasons. The Democratic Party (hell all political parties for that matter) is at root a way to advance an agenda. Which isn't the same as being the agenda. And no political party, no matter how noble or well organized it may be, is ever the sole means to advance a social agenda. It isn't even the sole political means to advance a social agenda. At the most fundamental level, only the agenda itself ultimately matters.

Which is why I need to say this clearly at least once on DU. Focusing on the fact that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat can be a good starting point for a meaningful discussion about the best ways for us all to collectively achieve ends that we believe in, but it sucks as a conclusive statement. If a person or persons working outside the framework of a specific political party can achieve progress in bringing about important and desirable social changes, that's pretty much the ball game when you look at the bigger picture. Probably Martin Luther King Jr was a Democrat, but I actually don't know that for a fact and it's illustrative that I don't. Ultimately it didn't matter.

We can have great tactical discussions about how to best advance politically inside of the American essentially two party system, and we should do so. Ultimately, however, my loyalty is to a set of goals, not fundamentally to the Democratic Party. The fact that "Bernie isn't a Democrat" is meaningless to me without a corresponding analysis about how that fact changes our collective ability to advance a positive social agenda. It is also a fact that Democrats are a minority in America, with roughly a third of voters identifying as such. More voters identify as Independents than as Democrats. We do not win elections on our own.

When I finish writing and posting this I am going back to finishing up a press release for a fund raiser for our local Democrats for the fall election. I choose my Democratic affiliation as the way I believe I can best advance causes that I believe in. But I also acknowledge that in some cases NOT being widely and openly affiliated and associated with a specific political party can open up some doors to change more effectively than can the brandishing of a partisan identity.

Debate whether Bernie does or does not serve our cause if you wish, but simple restating the obvious e.g. "But he's not a Democrat!" offers nothing useful to an important debate that too often ends rather than begins with that comment.



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I am a Democrat [View all] Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 OP
Thank you! TDale313 Sep 2017 #1
When they share? So there are circumstances where you will vote GOP or independent? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #6
Sure there are jl_theprofessor Sep 2017 #16
The open question is whether Person X is bringing about important and desirable social changes, or Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #2
Thank you. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #3
This touches on a section of Secretary Clinton's book I found particularly interesting. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #4
Bernie saw no alternative to hitching on to the Democratic collective LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #5
That progress was built on the blook sweat and tears of the likes of Norman Thomas also. Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #7
My response not completed, edited to add more after LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #9
Well said and spot on! Nt Ninga Sep 2017 #10
I wouldn't know where to start.. humm pangaia Sep 2017 #15
it's blisteringly truthful though... JHan Sep 2017 #21
Bernie continues to bash AND RandomAccess Sep 2017 #19
THANK YOU, Tom, elleng Sep 2017 #8
THANK YOU. crim son Sep 2017 #11
Ive stepped away from the shitshow on DU over this. Focusing my attn locally right now riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #12
Bravo! LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #13
K&R. n/t ms liberty Sep 2017 #14
Thank you democrank Sep 2017 #17
The Democratic Party is the only way to enact progressive change ...and criticizing them which Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #18
That simply is not true Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #25
+ 1000 & thank you RandomAccess Sep 2017 #20
Unfortunately when the criticism seems mostly negative & delisen Sep 2017 #30
Well RandomAccess Sep 2017 #31
As I said, this may vary around the country regarding delisen Sep 2017 #32
"If one side believes that there is no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #33
I also consider it a force for good RandomAccess Sep 2017 #36
A B S O L U T E L Y! Lyricalinklines Sep 2017 #22
Great post! Martin Eden Sep 2017 #23
We see Bernie very differently. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #24
That is probably true, but the point I am trying to make is not tied soley to that Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #26
It'd more true if he was not telling us plus reminding us. Believe me, I have no interest in him. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #27
I appreciate your thought-out post. moriah Sep 2017 #28
Again I want to thank you. MuseRider Sep 2017 #29
Thank you. Some most excellent thinking out loud. Certainly no apology called for. Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #38
That was an excellent thread too. MuseRider Sep 2017 #39
Bravo!! Duppers Sep 2017 #34
It's a big tent. Orsino Sep 2017 #35
thank you. Joe941 Sep 2017 #37
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