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DemocratSinceBirth

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Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:30 AM Sep 2017

... Wait for the Medicare For All bill to be analyzed by a respected and independent think tank [View all]

The prudent thing to do would be to wait for the Medicare For All bill to be analyzed by a respected and independent think tank. We all believe achieving universal health care is a laudable goal, where we differ is on how to achieve that goal. As Deng Xiaoping said "it doesn't matter whether a cat is white or black, as long as it catches mice. "


I have seen so many numbers being bandied about that I don't know which one to believe. There is a difference between believing something because it has the ring of truth and believing something because it's feels good. The latter is easy.


We have Trump and the Deplorables on the ropes. I don't want to let him and them off them.


As an aside I am going to do my best to avoid the intramural bickering. I don't give a rat's ass what you call it as long as everybody from some unemployed guy or gal to Bill Gates can get medical care when he or she needs it, as long he or she needs it, and it meets quality standards. The rich get to get nicer stuff than us but not when it comes to health care and the right to live.



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Whatever the numbers are frazzled Sep 2017 #1
Not so certain additional govt funding required BBG Sep 2017 #2
Spending on medical care and taxes can't be substituted for each other. wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #5
Sure they can BBG Sep 2017 #7
What makers you think you have any power or right to force people to play your rules? wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #12
No escaping death, rent or taxes BBG Sep 2017 #13
I have a lot of thoughts but I am wary of sharing them. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #3
It's really a shame that we can't have actual substantive discussion Ninsianna Sep 2017 #43
Were you here during the primaries ? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #44
I read articles, not so much the replies. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #45
The original Medicare program was a non starter for decades... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #4
YES! n/t TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #11
Those social programs started with nothing like them in place. We already have wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #14
Exactly! mountain grammy Sep 2017 #25
The rich will always get better healthcare. Even with single payor or medicare for all. JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #6
in some places that is illegal dsc Sep 2017 #18
There is literally zero chance the US outlaws private practices outside medicare. JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #42
Sanders' 2016 bill was analyzed by the Urban Institute ehrnst Sep 2017 #8
$319.8 trillion in 2017? LexVegas Sep 2017 #9
That has to be a typo...in one year? TCJ70 Sep 2017 #10
The Urban Institute doesn't let typos get through. ehrnst Sep 2017 #16
That's fine, but are they saying that all healthcare spending in the country would add up to... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #17
I think that you are reading it wrong ehrnst Sep 2017 #19
Here's just one article on the subject: TCJ70 Sep 2017 #21
Again: ehrnst Sep 2017 #22
Maybe I'm misreading... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #24
The costs of implementation on that timeline ehrnst Sep 2017 #26
That paragraph is about revenue... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #27
Do you know how large a project gutting and rebuilding that section of the GDP would be? ehrnst Sep 2017 #28
16 times the national debt? Yeah, no. n/t TCJ70 Sep 2017 #30
I would suggest that you contact the Urban Institute with questions. ehrnst Sep 2017 #33
You edited your post. I guess they can have typos, eh? n/t TCJ70 Sep 2017 #40
plenty of other countries have transitioned from a market system to single-payer beachjustice Sep 2017 #37
Actually, no, they didn't transition from what we have to Single Payer. ehrnst Sep 2017 #38
the US already has a single payer system, it's called Medicare beachjustice Sep 2017 #47
Billion, not trillion. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #46
I hope all the facts about going from what we have now to single payer are put on the table. wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #15
should be billion not trillion dsc Sep 2017 #20
Which? ehrnst Sep 2017 #23
the first number dsc Sep 2017 #29
Typo in that post. Here is a direct copy from the PDF-- it's 319 billion not trillion! andym Sep 2017 #31
Oh just wait... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #32
Yes, that is the direct copy and paste from the report. ehrnst Sep 2017 #34
Page 3 disagrees with page 25 of the PDF! The Urban Institute does do typos! nt. andym Sep 2017 #35
I suggest you write them. ehrnst Sep 2017 #36
This also explains a few things ehrnst Sep 2017 #39
Urban Institute's analysis is fine andym Sep 2017 #41
First, who gives a fuck if it costs the government a JCanete Sep 2017 #48
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