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Ken Burch

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34. It's not as though the GOP gamed those poll results. That isn't possible.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:16 AM
Sep 2017

They'd have had no way of knowing which households would be called, and there's no way that that many Republican voters would be in a "say you support Bernie just to make things us easier for us in the fall" hivemind. Those polls reflected actual public support for his ideas-and the support for the ideas was and is much higher than support for the person.

And there are major differences between Bernie's campaign and the McGovern campaign.

Bernie's was not specifically tied in the public mind to the counterculture in the way McGovern's was.

He had some significant labor support-McGovern had none.

There were no issues that could split the party in the way the reproductive rights or gay rights struggles split it in '72-we are now united as a pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ party.

Obviously, HRC would be president if we lived in a real democracy.

And I accept that she was nominated and campaigned for her in the fall.

But that doesn't mean her showing was the best any possible Dem nominee could have achieved last year. 49% wasn't our highest of high-water marks no matter what, and while she did was "electable", there were no groups she could win in the fall that none of our other candidates wouldn't have run just as strongly.

We have no need to anathemize Bernie's ideas or ideas similar to them.

We just have to create a change agenda that makes everyone in our coalition feel they are included and protected by the party and in the program.

What Hillary Clinton really thinks [View all] yallerdawg Sep 2017 OP
Would have been amazing if she ran on instinct here, it would be tough to implement.. JHan Sep 2017 #1
The next paragraph: yallerdawg Sep 2017 #4
In all the ridiculous email leaks, one email stayed with me where she said: JHan Sep 2017 #8
She also anticipated a double standard. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #15
Yep. "How's Hillary gonna pay for it".. JHan Sep 2017 #18
Whoever runs in 2020 needs to talk about dismantling obstacles. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #6
the point is she would have done it if she were president. JHan Sep 2017 #10
OK. It's not as simple as a slogan. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #13
The democratic platform last year defended what democrats believe in Ken, have you read it? JHan Sep 2017 #14
You're making it sound like I'm attacking the party, and I'm not. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #21
A female head of state would have disrupted Just as Obama did JI7 Sep 2017 #2
That's not why anyone on the Left opposed her, though. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #9
They weren't on the left JI7 Sep 2017 #12
Excellent post. Thanks. haveahart Sep 2017 #3
And some people still didn't think she was sufficientlyliberal or progressive. LonePirate Sep 2017 #5
Nobody knew she had considered this idea, though. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #11
Let's look at McGovern's election map. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #17
UH-you might want to re-check which map you posted there. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #19
My mistake! Correct map. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #22
And that's the map we'd have had with pretty much any other possible Dem nominee. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #24
And that's the map I referred to in 2016... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #28
Except that there were polls showing that independent socialist from Vermont Ken Burch Sep 2017 #31
Of course polls showed 2nd place finisher Sanders beating Trump. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #33
It's not as though the GOP gamed those poll results. That isn't possible. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #34
Hillary received more votes than any white man in the history of our country! yallerdawg Sep 2017 #35
exactly, her actual votes and supporters are dismissed for some fucking polls JI7 Sep 2017 #37
I started another thread in praise of her for coming out against the Electoral College. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #40
Hillary was up against the Fucking KGB and Nixon was nowhere near as dirty as the republicans are JI7 Sep 2017 #36
And I wasn't saying anything negative about her. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #38
mcgovern actually won the nomination JI7 Sep 2017 #39
It's not about "what I want". I don't want Bernie to run again. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #41
Hillary Clinton stated she had no interest in a Supreme Court seat. delisen Sep 2017 #23
I didn't say she had. It's simply a position I've always thought she would do well in. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #25
Making the numbers work. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #7
Clinton is poised to become a major force. Thank you Hillary Clinton delisen Sep 2017 #16
"STFU and go away" is NOT what we need! yallerdawg Sep 2017 #20
I would hope she does stay involved, she has been a strong advocate for years, she knows Thinkingabout Sep 2017 #29
. RandySF Sep 2017 #26
The most ready, willing and able candidate of our time. nt oasis Sep 2017 #27
Yes she was Thinkingabout Sep 2017 #30
. RandySF Sep 2017 #32
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