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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 08:07 PM Sep 2017

The relatively quick acceptance of the ACA shows why Medicare for All will win. [View all]

For years the GOP campaigned on "repeal and replace". All we heard in the endless Bills submitted by the House, 60 or so if memory serves, was that the ACA was collapsing, and that the GOP had a plan.

We knew, of course, that the GOP had no actual plan for replacement, and no chance for repeal as long as they could not overcome a veto by then President Obama.

And then came 2016, and the stolen election, another stolen election, and the GOP would soon control all three branches of Government. So what happened? Repeal and replace was a disaster for the GOP, and now both parties are talking of strengthening the ACA. Why? Because people realize that we cannot return to the bad old days of 37 million with no healthcare.

That acceptance did not take decades to accomplish, it simply took the example of millions receiving healthcare for the first time. And those millions are in GOP controlled southern and western states as well as northern states.

Similarly, by titling the Bill Medicare for All, the Democrats are framing the issue in terms that are known and acceptable to all voters. Medicare is an American plan, and it is familiar and trusted by millions of voters for 50 plus years. People like Medicare.

Any talk of higher taxes must be met by Democrats with the fact that these higher taxes will replace what people are already paying in the form of insurance premiums. And Medicare operates on a lower overhead basis than does private, for profit insurance. And if Medicare is coupled with price regulation for drugs, as most other countries already do, there will be savings there also.

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The tax point is spot on. zentrum Sep 2017 #1
And the Insurance companies donate to politicians from both parties. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #2
Egg-zactly. nt zentrum Sep 2017 #4
That and the GOP is why it will stall leftofcool Sep 2017 #3
But if people demand loudly enough, even the deafest politicians will hear the sound. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #5
Yes! zentrum Sep 2017 #7
It will stall forever.. zentrum Sep 2017 #6
Excellent response. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #8
This will make the likelihood of de-funding the ACA likely with millions losing insurance. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #9
Pure speculation, unsupported by evidence. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #11
Not unsupported at all. After repeal and replace failed, Republicans were beginning to seriously Trust Buster Sep 2017 #14
Speculation. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #17
It is not speculation. The ACA will die without a fix. There isn't a clear majority of Dems on this Trust Buster Sep 2017 #19
What I said: guillaumeb Sep 2017 #21
Any words about what happens to the employees caught up in the private sector insurance companies? haveahart Sep 2017 #10
An argument for what exactly? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #12
They'll work zentrum Sep 2017 #15
What about the blacksmiths who lost their jobs Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #27
I think the first step is a public option within the ACA ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #13
Yes, a public option in the form of enrollment in Medicare guillaumeb Sep 2017 #16
The reason chronic renal failure got in ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #20
Excellent points. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #22
Not so fast Hoyt Sep 2017 #26
From the second link, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #30
Your earlier post was that even foreign conservatives supported of national health plans. Links show Hoyt Sep 2017 #34
I did not say "every single conservative in every country" supported single payer. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #36
The articles are about major conservative parties and candidates. You can still support single payer Hoyt Sep 2017 #39
We all know how the GOP will frame things. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #40
Overall, 33% of the public now favors a single payer approach to health insurance. Hoyt Sep 2017 #41
Would Medicare or Medicaid be better as a public option? white_wolf Sep 2017 #18
Medicare because Medicaid is income based ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #23
Yeah, right. It only took 30 years or so. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #24
I was speaking of the ACA. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #25
Quick? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2017 #28
Another issue entirely. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #31
I'm 63 and never thought I would see legal marijuana in my lifetime Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #29
Agreed. An avalanche also starts out small and slow. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #32
And I can't believe they want to go back Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #37
Agreed. And it is moving the goalposts to the left, instead of constantly shifting to the right. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #38
And Medicare doesn't have CEOs skimming obscene salaries off the top. nt tblue37 Sep 2017 #33
But it sure has providers that do that. Hoyt Sep 2017 #35
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