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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald: What the Supreme Court got right (Flashback) [View all]cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)38. I think equating money with speech was long-established precedent
That that was the constitutional environment in which citizens united was decided
It is easy to see that money can be speech--imagine a communist newspaper. Congress outlaws its publication. The court says no. So congress outlaws financially supporting the newspaper. The court says, No... if somebody gives to the communist newspaper they are supporting and participating in its dissemination of its message. The newspaper's speech is their speech.
But when applied to all possible abuses and all possible scale of money it becomes a very tricky set of questions
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Well, if you are going to restrict the rights of corps. Then you are saying that
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#18
What about the ACLU, NOW, Planned Parenthood, the Sierra Club and a host of other
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#26
Are you really arguing that it's either Citizens United or no advocacy at all?
killbotfactory
Dec 2011
#29
Actually, that was precisely the issue at hand and that is why the ACLU
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#30
It is not the lobbying rules that were changed, it was much greater than that...
Spazito
Dec 2011
#25
I did go to the links you provided, I hope you also went to the one I provided...
Spazito
Dec 2011
#37
And when you shut down Citizens United you also shut down Planned Parenthood.
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#36
The status quo was restricted speech for advocacy. The decision handed unions, Planned Parenthood
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#42
The support by Greenwald, the ACLU, Eliot Spitzer, and others was not unconditional.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#50
It is readily apparent that Greenwald has no legal training. His arguments are based
Romulox
Dec 2011
#59