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IronLionZion

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133. That's why we lost elections

Tue Jul 18, 2017, 12:05 PM

Jul 2017

because of nonsense like this instead of making sure more voters in more districts know what our party and candidates stand for. Why let the Republicans tell them what we stand for? We should control the message and the meaning of it.

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You want Democratic messaging? You got it. [View all] ehrnst Jul 2017 OP

That's not a message sweetroxie Jul 2017 #1

"Remember the Maine!" ? Achilleaze Jul 2017 #2

Demfefe ? OnDoutside Jul 2017 #5

Those are the topics of messaging. And if people can't be bothered to read a very clear list ehrnst Jul 2017 #3

"Especially if they claim that the platform was 'moved to the left' then diss it as saying nothing." betsuni Jul 2017 #14

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jul 2017 #69

+1 Hekate Jul 2017 #68

+1000 nt iluvtennis Jul 2017 #111

From the platform: ehrnst Jul 2017 #4

I like that, especially the bridges v walls part. brush Jul 2017 #6

That's just a bunch of platitudes marylandblue Jul 2017 #7

First and foremost, we need LEADERSHIP... preferably with ATTITUDES, not platitudes. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #16

You mean leadership that thinks our platform is just a bunch of platitudes? ehrnst Jul 2017 #23

Support of social and economic justice for all Americans are just 'platitudes?" ehrnst Jul 2017 #22

It doesn't say the words "social and economic justice" marylandblue Jul 2017 #34

Perhaps you missed these items: ehrnst Jul 2017 #40

All mission statements sound that way, because BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2017 #114

Great classykaren Jul 2017 #10

+1,000,000 Auggie Jul 2017 #27

So you think 'Make America Great Again is a message? Doesn''t tell me sinkingfeeling Jul 2017 #31

It doesn't tell YOU anything, but it tells the Trump(R) voter a ton of things. It tells him Squinch Jul 2017 #44

and it fits easily on a hat 0rganism Jul 2017 #60

You may be making a joke, but I think you are absolutely right. It should fit on a hat. It's not a Squinch Jul 2017 #77

no joke there 0rganism Jul 2017 #108

Exactly. THAT'S what we don't do. Squinch Jul 2017 #109

Narrow minds respond to simplistic slogans. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #64

And this is exactly why so many think we are elitist hueymahl Jul 2017 #72

Last I heard, this was Democratic Underground, and not broadcast television. ehrnst Jul 2017 #80

ALL minds respond to simplistic slogans. So "just do it!" Squinch Jul 2017 #76

Yeah, so "Stronger together" wasn't simple enough? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #81

Stronger together didn't address anyone's fear. No one is afraid of being less strong together. Or Squinch Jul 2017 #82

What would? ehrnst Jul 2017 #86

"Take back your power." Squinch Jul 2017 #89

Again - that's what MAGA was about. ehrnst Jul 2017 #92

I don't really know what you are referring to. Squinch Jul 2017 #95

MAGA is about white people "taking back their power" ehrnst Jul 2017 #119

Hope and Change, Stronger Together ehrnst Jul 2017 #125

You mean rhetoric? A catchy little tune? That is what the people have got to have? pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #55

Yes, it is sad, and I took your same position before the election when DUer Recursion said Squinch Jul 2017 #58

So we need to play to the Dem base. That's a bit more quantifiable. ehrnst Jul 2017 #126

I think this is horrible, though I do not know it being horrible makes me right. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #132

But I don't think that characterization is entirely correct. Squinch Jul 2017 #134

I think some may just be more susceptible to that type gimmick. I am not and never have been. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #136

You're confusing message with commercial branding and bumper stickers. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #65

But I would disagree with you and say you are confusing party policy statement with message. Squinch Jul 2017 #78

how about "The SANE party" onetexan Jul 2017 #112

When so much gets neglected, it becomes impossible to make it into a bumper sticker. At least Doitnow Jul 2017 #115

Yep! relayerbob Jul 2017 #116

How about "We are the 99%!"? (Former Occupy Los Angeleno here) - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #127

Statehood for DC AND... MarianJack Jul 2017 #8

I am one of those who often complains about Democratic messaging. All those things Squinch Jul 2017 #9

Yes we need a message, but more importantly we need a MESSENGER who is capable of communicating it! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #17

We have a message. Most people who voted for economic issues voted for HRC. ehrnst Jul 2017 #21

I see it differently. For me this isn't only about the person at the top. Rather than needing Squinch Jul 2017 #24

"An orchestrated message" luvtheGWN Jul 2017 #33

Exactly. It is the ONE thing we can learn from Republicans, and we better learn it fast. Squinch Jul 2017 #35

Those attracted to the far right demonize "government" and any ehrnst Jul 2017 #63

The first rule of communication is . . . ariadne0614 Jul 2017 #11

So true. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #18

And knowing that no one has a universal audience is another rule of communication. ehrnst Jul 2017 #19

I didn't mean to imply ariadne0614 Jul 2017 #41

I think that's the description of one-size-fits all. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #46

yeap YCHDT Jul 2017 #56

Word. 👍 Duppers Jul 2017 #90

Protect Voting Rights oasis Jul 2017 #12

this mopinko Jul 2017 #32

How about Scarsdale Jul 2017 #13

"People First" Duppers Jul 2017 #91

"Take back your power." Squinch Jul 2017 #98

I like "People first" n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #103

No message gets through to the RW and LW bigots except to trash Obama and Hillary. nikibatts Jul 2017 #15

No message gets through to people who think that they deserve a candidate tailored ehrnst Jul 2017 #20

not bad but too long, disorganized and not prioritized melm00se Jul 2017 #25

That's actually a better reply to the "Democrats don't stand for anything" meme GoCubsGo Jul 2017 #26

That tag line is great. I'd say, "Cleaning up after corrupt Republicans since 1929." Squinch Jul 2017 #29

I don't think you guys are getting the concept of messaging. The list is great. It is true. It is Squinch Jul 2017 #28

+1,000,000 marylandblue Jul 2017 #36

YES!!! A million times, yes. n/t snpsmom Jul 2017 #38

Republicans fall in line - that's why simplistic black/white messaging works for them. ehrnst Jul 2017 #47

Well, help me with it. I think we could come up with a concept, which of course advertising people Squinch Jul 2017 #51

I think that getting out in front of language is the first step ehrnst Jul 2017 #61

I got it! If I were in charge, our message would be, "TAKE BACK YOUR POWER." Squinch Jul 2017 #75

I think many believe that their power has been taken away by ehrnst Jul 2017 #83

PS. Yes, Republicans fall in line, but we are all susceptible to absorbing information that is Squinch Jul 2017 #57

Statehood for DC would secure Dem majority in Senate mcar Jul 2017 #30

Yes but it's not a message for anyone outside DC marylandblue Jul 2017 #37

"Freedom" jayschool2013 Jul 2017 #39

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #42

LOL. I think you took a wrong turn at JPR. You seem to be lost. Squinch Jul 2017 #45

Plan to bash Democrats a lot here? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #48

So our message seems to be... vi5 Jul 2017 #43

No - that's the message of the blogger to those who say Dems don't have a message. ehrnst Jul 2017 #49

It Seems Me. Jul 2017 #50

But it's in line with what I see on here a lot..... vi5 Jul 2017 #59

Don't have a message for whom? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #88

When has a party ever had a single message? BainsBane Jul 2017 #107

If average voters don't know what our message is IronLionZion Jul 2017 #74

Define "average voters" please. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #87

You're working kind of hard not to hear anyone who answers you. Squinch Jul 2017 #96

Give me a link to where it has been defined. ehrnst Jul 2017 #124

unfortunately that IS the message.....apparently THAT is what we stand for virtualobserver Jul 2017 #52

No - that's the message of the blogger to those who say Dems don't have a message.(nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #62

Reminds me of this.. aidbo Jul 2017 #54

You want a slogan BainsBane Jul 2017 #105

Kerry reduced his to 20 minutes, four points. And still, news said he had no message. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #53

I hear it all of the time ...they are really talking marketing. Alice11111 Jul 2017 #70

I think the base was clear the supported our base, which would reinforce that the Democratic pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #71

Yes. We ARE talking marketing. Marketing is how you get your message out in the modern world. Squinch Jul 2017 #79

Yeah, we act as though people will be persuaded by facts. Alice11111 Jul 2017 #137

They won't be persuaded by facts if they never hear the facts. Squinch Jul 2017 #139

Marketing costs money. And raising money is CORRUPT!!! ehrnst Jul 2017 #84

Hahahah! take all the plusses ++++++++++++++++ JHan Jul 2017 #117

Yup! Not only is raising money for things corrupt, it's establishment-status-quo. betsuni Jul 2017 #118

You can't fight nukes and automatic weapons by throwing Alice11111 Jul 2017 #138

Kick-ass Hekate Jul 2017 #66

k and r and bookmarking for a very handy list niyad Jul 2017 #67

Ask average voters in the districts what Democrats stand for IronLionZion Jul 2017 #73

Define "average voters in the districts," please. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #85

That's why we lost the election IronLionZion Jul 2017 #93

So define the characteristics of "the person who votes or has the right to vote at an election." ehrnst Jul 2017 #94

You're really determined to prove that there are no answers, aren't you? Squinch Jul 2017 #97

I just want someone to define "average American voter" since ehrnst Jul 2017 #121

This began as an interesting discussion. You've turned it into something else. Have a nice day. Squinch Jul 2017 #122

I've drilled down to the crux - that it's not as simple as some seem to think it is. ehrnst Jul 2017 #123

You haven't drilled down to anything. You are, now, simply discounting anything that doesn't Squinch Jul 2017 #135

Here you go IronLionZion Jul 2017 #101

Argument by meme. ehrnst Jul 2017 #120

Here's the precise quantitative breakdown you need to answer your question IronLionZion Jul 2017 #128

You'll have to sample way more than corgis ehrnst Jul 2017 #129

Here's how Pew does it IronLionZion Jul 2017 #130

I know very well how Pew samples ehrnst Jul 2017 #131

That's why we lost elections IronLionZion Jul 2017 #133

And that is why we need to get the word out. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2017 #99

I get angry every time I see Dems accused of being only against Trump, having no message. betsuni Jul 2017 #100

The Republican messages are Progressive dog Jul 2017 #102

Wow, 30 bullet points and not a single fucking one addressing cannabis legalization. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #104

Thank you for making it abundantly clear. n/t gtar100 Jul 2017 #106

Hmmm bearsfootball516 Jul 2017 #110

It won't fit on a baseball cap! Hamlette Jul 2017 #113