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Did you vote for Nancy Pelosi ? stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #1

So we're HELPING Zoonart Jun 2017 #10

This is a hit job on Nancy Pelosi, It's like the 5th op today telling us to hate Nancy Pelosi ! stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #22

Being trolled. Zoonart Jun 2017 #34

prolly russian/rwnj BOTS.. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #38

Why would you have an OP that mouths GOP talking points? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #63

What are the RW talking points i the OP? EL34x4 Jun 2017 #93

We are being concern-trolled about one of our BEST Dems, and those questions are not honest. Hekate Jun 2017 #199

It's a major right-wing meme that is also being Hortensis Jun 2017 #91

Enough already! secondwind Jun 2017 #185

I like Nancy Pelosi and I am in Illinois lunasun Jun 2017 #2

Absolutely Egnever Jun 2017 #3

How does Nancy Pelosi help the party appeal to left-behind populists geek tragedy Jun 2017 #4

I imagine you would have to identify what is important to people in those places Egnever Jun 2017 #6

voters in those places don't pay attention to legislative records or policy very much geek tragedy Jun 2017 #13

Then it doesn't make a shits bit of difference who Nancy or her mythical replacement is Egnever Jun 2017 #17

you don't think having someone who is (a) ancient and (b) representing geek tragedy Jun 2017 #29

So why is that her responsibility? It's never been the responsibility of a previous House Minority ehrnst Jun 2017 #52

Election performance has always been the main criteria they have been judged on - go look at the Midwestern Democrat Jun 2017 #179

So, are we . . . peggysue2 Jun 2017 #66

If we're talking about the Presidential nominee, Warren and Sanders are poor candidates imo. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #106

We are not talking . . . peggysue2 Jun 2017 #113

How exactly would Pelosi help get candidates over the line in competiive 2018 races? geek tragedy Jun 2017 #114

Ossoff . . . peggysue2 Jun 2017 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Jun 2017 #200

"ancient" Skidmore Jun 2017 #146

I was 15 when Pelosi started serving in Congress. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #150

I get that literature too Skidmore Jun 2017 #152

experience is useful for governing, but a liablity in politics (in the USA anyways) geek tragedy Jun 2017 #155

I will take Sam Rayburns experience of 48 years any day as congressnab and Speaker of the House. Jim Beard Jun 2017 #166

So what did you think of people in those places who hated Obama? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #54

Exactly right! spooky3 Jun 2017 #184

Since when is it the job of the minority House leader to do that? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #50

Since there's been a Congress. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #108

So doesn't that make the DCCC redundant? ehrnst Jun 2017 #118

Why is that Pelosi's problem and not say, the Ohio Dem Party? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #139

It's both. nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #188

Exurban Columbus is generally Romney Republicans spooky3 Jun 2017 #186

That's not the Speaker's or Minority Leader's job EffieBlack Jun 2017 #5

+10000. This OP is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the minority leader. yardwork Jun 2017 #8

She also got a lot of other tough legislation through the House EffieBlack Jun 2017 #12

It is bullshit. Unmitigated. yardwork Jun 2017 #14

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #84

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #86

+1000. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #23

Exactly! procon Jun 2017 #61

Thank you, and this is all coming from a spectacularly unsuccessful wing of the party, if you know.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #167

I responded to a post earlier today... NCTraveler Jun 2017 #7

it's not an attack (hello, I live in Brooklyn) it's political reality. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #15

It is a complete regurgitation of the liberal elitist meme. Nt NCTraveler Jun 2017 #18

It's more than a meme, it's a pretty widely held belief amongst the left-behinds. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #20

"Only one of those will win elections." NCTraveler Jun 2017 #28

I feel liberated to make these points, because I'm close to the stererotype of an urban elitist geek tragedy Jun 2017 #30

Also doesn't mean it is the end all be all as you are outlining. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #36

At some point, the Democratic Party has to switch back to evangelist mode and away geek tragedy Jun 2017 #37

Oh, no. It's the opposite. kcr Jun 2017 #60

Everyone who understands Obama-Trump voters raise your hand. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #107

Okay, so what are you willing to give up to appease them? haele Jun 2017 #44

+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #163

So did we "toss more gasoline that bomb" by re-electing Obama? ehrnst Jun 2017 #68

Obama overperformed with the left-behinds--much better than Clinton did. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #109

So... when did the discussion of Pelosi turn into a discussion of HRC? ehrnst Jun 2017 #121

Democrats are more of a coalition than a coherent political party when they win. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #125

So you're saying that there wasn't significant anger and dislike of Obama ehrnst Jun 2017 #127

sure, it's not the hardcore rightwing or alt-right we're chasing geek tragedy Jun 2017 #134

Um... were you around for the last 8 years? ehrnst Jun 2017 #162

What are you playing at here? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #143

Here's the point: our House leadership (including but not limited to Pelosi) geek tragedy Jun 2017 #148

Okay, fine... Who should be leading then? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #153

that's question House Dems need to ask in earnest before geek tragedy Jun 2017 #156

You must have SOME ideas, since you're so convinced Pelosi is the worst thing ever... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #158

Removing Pelosi in the middle of the 2018 race (now!) Hortensis Jun 2017 #94

When party leadership is old and entrenched, they wind up being a political liablity geek tragedy Jun 2017 #103

Or so you imagine. You might want to learn more on the use Hortensis Jun 2017 #110

I'm interested in the answer to that as well. Apparently "not Pelosi" is as far as I can get out of ehrnst Jun 2017 #130

the House Minority leader's official job duties are pretty much meaningless. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #135

Oh, now she's irrelevant? Then what's your problem? Hortensis Jun 2017 #169

Worst of both worlds in terms of efficacy. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #171

Okay. Sorry for misunderstanding. Actually, though, Hortensis Jun 2017 #173

Being selected by her peers as Minority Leader isn't about her "swing district status" ehrnst Jun 2017 #129

Democrats place way too much weight on seniority when it comes to picking leaders. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #137

On what do you base your opinion that "experience is pretty goddamned worthless without a majority" ehrnst Jun 2017 #160

So name somebody to take over then, if you're so smart... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #141

I'm in Virginia and Pelosi's name has never ever come up... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #142

What Congressional District? nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #145

2nd (Scott Taylor-R) Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #149

That district has had a Democrat represent it once in the past 9 elections. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #151

Nye actually (like a fucking moron) tried to distance himself from Ocare Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #157

Cultural political polarization has nothing to do with gender- or SF liberals?!?!? bettyellen Jun 2017 #9

"San Francisco liberals" plays up both cultural and geographic resentments. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #11

San Francisco is a thriving beautiful city that still has a middle class and bettyellen Jun 2017 #16

Tired of all the winning? geek tragedy Jun 2017 #19

Tired of listening to Dems quote Trump and company without irony. Wow. bettyellen Jun 2017 #21

You think Tr*mp created the conditions that allowed him to 'win?' geek tragedy Jun 2017 #26

I think trite phrases like "tired of winning" don't help you sound serious. bettyellen Jun 2017 #31

It's also anti-gay sweetloukillbot Jun 2017 #81

I'm sorry? I think SF is pretty diverse but that's only my experience. bettyellen Jun 2017 #99

It is more diverse, but when Republicans say "San Francisco values" they mean teh gay sweetloukillbot Jun 2017 #100

Ohhhh, yeah of course! And LA is Sodom and Gomorrah bettyellen Jun 2017 #115

Yeah, and Obama played up cultural and geographical resentments. ehrnst Jun 2017 #57

23 replies, 201 views this i hate nancy OP'S are not going very well.... stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #24

What's with all the hit jobs on Nancy Pelosi today? Nonhlanhla Jun 2017 #25

Looks very orchestrated. bettyellen Jun 2017 #33

Meh. People are just trying to understand the loss leftstreet Jun 2017 #40

What time is it in Moscow? AngryAmish Jun 2017 #41

It's because Congressional Democrats are complaining out loud nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #48

Especially the ones who lost the leadership election to her.... (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #78

yes, but there are also some who voted for her in the last leadership geek tragedy Jun 2017 #104

My understanding of the job of the minority party house leader is ehrnst Jun 2017 #120

None of those functions are relevant, or particularly hard to accomplish. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #124

The functions of the DCCC? Not clear on what functions you are referring to. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #126

job #1 of the minoriyt party leaderhip is to not be a liability in close elections geek tragedy Jun 2017 #136

Still didn't answer the question. ehrnst Jun 2017 #164

Negotiating with majority, leading floor debate etc nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #170

Not relevant? Not hard to accomplish? ehrnst Jun 2017 #174

Pelosi was the incumbent. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #175

CA voters chose Pelosi lapucelle Jun 2017 #193

The procedural/governing skill set is a lot more relevant geek tragedy Jun 2017 #196

So it's the "has an apocryphal skill set" for some lapucelle Jun 2017 #198

Senate and House have radically different rules geek tragedy Jun 2017 #201

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #49

Um? They voted for an Urban Billionaire... Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #27

it also allows them to continually control the narrative. JHan Jun 2017 #32

The party deserpately needs fresh leadership (and fresh blood in general), BUT - Fait Accompli Jun 2017 #35

Yes, absolutely oberliner Jun 2017 #39

"urban millionaires" nini Jun 2017 #42

They will find reasons to hate ANYONE who successfully leads our party, pnwmom Jun 2017 #43

Exactly! peggysue2 Jun 2017 #128

Who would you suggest as a replacement? tinrobot Jun 2017 #45

Tim Ryan Kolesar Jun 2017 #133

Now, ask the same questions to Shuman.... bresue Jun 2017 #46

I don't vote depending on who is minority leader blueinredohio Jun 2017 #47

She's the only House Minority Leader that has ever been criticized for this. ehrnst Jun 2017 #51

While I agree with your positions on Nancy Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #112

OK. Thanks for the info - I stand corrected. ehrnst Jun 2017 #117

It's infuriating and frustrating for sure... Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #122

There's far more resistance to Pelosi w/in the D House caucus BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #53

What are the numbers on that? ehrnst Jun 2017 #55

63 people voted against her in Jan. BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #64

She has far less resistance than support, clearly - 134 support to 63 resistance. ehrnst Jun 2017 #67

Look at this thread BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #69

So you are getting your stats for all of DU from this thread? Faulty sampling. ehrnst Jun 2017 #73

Our seniority rules in the House are antiquated and that's on Pelosi BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #75

You mean the Pelosi that suggested that less experienced people should be encouraged? ehrnst Jun 2017 #80

Here's an article covering the Minority Leader vote KTM Jun 2017 #70

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #72

Are you comparing Pelosi to Conyers? ehrnst Jun 2017 #77

Did others in the past who didn't win the leadership position go out and trash the person who did? ehrnst Jun 2017 #74

Does she has to? It's up to her district to decide if she represents them ebbie15644 Jun 2017 #56

If she did relate to the"left-behinders" tazkcmo Jun 2017 #58

It's not her job to do those things. alarimer Jun 2017 #59

She does her job...in the House and yes it does relate to her gender. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #62

Good fucking grief! STOP IT! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #65

Did Nancy Pelosi helping insure 30 million Americans make you ask these questions? L. Coyote Jun 2017 #71

Nancy Pelosi is great & role model for girls delisen Jun 2017 #76

It is a right wing talking point that Democrats need rebranding. We don't. They need to stop LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #79

Nancy Pelosi was born and raised in Baltimore, MD BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #82

Fair questions loyalsister Jun 2017 #83

I'm not sure what Nancy Pelosi has to do with our problems here in Ohio Bradical79 Jun 2017 #85

What do you think? ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #87

She helps in NJ this year JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #88

Do you know what he means by "left behinds"? ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #90

I *think* JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #92

Ok that makes sense ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #97

Does Tim Ryan or somebody else? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #89

So the Don the Con... Adrahil Jun 2017 #95

What about those wealthy Republicans? Why aren't they dragging down their party? jalan48 Jun 2017 #96

All the replies seem pretty emotional and illogical LittleBlue Jun 2017 #98

What do you mean by "embrace change" and "adopt new ways of thinking"? 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #101

This is 86-proof bullshit hatrack Jun 2017 #102

Nonsense, if they are left behind kacekwl Jun 2017 #105

Who the hell can be the ONE person EVERY liberal will approve of? nini Jun 2017 #111

My Republican friends don't know much of anything Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #116

What makes you think Democrats don't call out the "fake news" bullshit? ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #132

None of that is her job, we'd have to purge all the women in leadership to make the GOP happy and bettyellen Jun 2017 #123

I do not understand these Pelosi questions...and enough!!! bresue Jun 2017 #131

Odd how I never heard people question where Ted Kennedy was from or his family money. tonyt53 Jun 2017 #138

Last I checked, Trump was an urban billionaire Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #140

Tr*mp speaks the language of uneducated white dumbasses nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #154

To do that, she would need to put on a hood Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #144

I'd have to see both the numbers and the analysis of those numbers LanternWaste Jun 2017 #147

One of the problems matt819 Jun 2017 #159

Nor do they relate to the job of Minority Leader BainsBane Jun 2017 #161

I LOVE THIS betsuni Jun 2017 #168

I think I'm in love with you ... EffieBlack Jun 2017 #194

San Francisco has its own health care and $15 minimum wage. Starry Messenger Jun 2017 #165

Good grief. She's from Baltimore's Little Italy... displacedtexan Jun 2017 #172

She was a fantastic Speaker. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #178

She is elected by her district treestar Jun 2017 #176

Nancy pelosi helps in way no one can see. Backroom Alice11111 Jun 2017 #177

There are no backroom negotiations for the geek tragedy Jun 2017 #180

Well what Democrat is doing the things you want Nancy Pelosi to be doing? Stargleamer Jun 2017 #181

People in rural Ohio appear to be fine voting for millionaires. gollygee Jun 2017 #182

you've really gone over the cliff with this one bigtree Jun 2017 #183

Can you name the last time a former Speaker geek tragedy Jun 2017 #190

They ALL relate to her gender if they are not questions that spooky3 Jun 2017 #187

I can't remember a Speaker who fought to remain geek tragedy Jun 2017 #192

Well, this I know, the "new blood" refused to go into Alice11111 Jun 2017 #189

Team Hillary was not 'new blood.' nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #191

Her JOB is to represent her district and to work with the Dems in Congress. pnwmom Jun 2017 #195

Is Nancy Pelosi running in Ohio or Michigan? Hekate Jun 2017 #197