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27. Note that the person with a concealed permit did *not* start shooting at the wrong person(s)...

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Mon Jun 5, 2017, 03:01 PM

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...and in fact, never drew his weapon.

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On Defending Oneself from Random Violence [View all] MineralMan Jun 2017 OP

That is one thing the gun fetishists never can explain Thomas Hurt Jun 2017 #1

Have you noticed that there never seem to be any MineralMan Jun 2017 #3

There was a man with a concealed permit and a gun when Gabby Gifford was shot csziggy Jun 2017 #19

Note that the person with a concealed permit did *not* start shooting at the wrong person(s)... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #27

Yes - he was smart about it csziggy Jun 2017 #29

Exactly. Common sense and training worked the way it was supposed to work. trentwestcott Jun 2017 #62

"...never seem to be any those gun-toters around" They've been taught exactly what you advocate... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #20

Has your mooted scenario (more than 1 'good guy w/ a gun) ever happened in real life? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #18

I am not proposing anything Thomas Hurt Jun 2017 #22

I understood it perfectly- you spoke of a theoretical 'problem' that hasn't actually happened... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #25

I never said that it has or would happen, those are entirely your assumptions Thomas Hurt Jun 2017 #33

"(T)hose are entirely your assumptions" As opposed to *yours* on what motivates gun owners? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #55

Yep - even the cops in UK shot a bystander in the head. jmg257 Jun 2017 #30

Me too. trentwestcott Jun 2017 #63

True - I've seen some disturbing video of cops screaming in terror only to be gunned down. jmg257 Jun 2017 #34

What is your definition of a "gun fetishist"? Marengo Jun 2017 #38

Apparently, "a person who does not automatically fear and hate guns" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #54

That's a great point trentwestcott Jun 2017 #61

Did it ever work out well for Yosemite Sam? lapislzi Jun 2017 #79

Targeted violence is a greater concern. B2G Jun 2017 #2

You, of course, are free to do as you choose. MineralMan Jun 2017 #5

Removing yourself from danger is always the best option. B2G Jun 2017 #7

Well, I hope you never have occasion to use MineralMan Jun 2017 #12

Thanks. That's my hope as well. B2G Jun 2017 #13

Even a gun can be a poor defense against a knife. PBass Jun 2017 #4

Standing one's ground is the best way to be harmed. MineralMan Jun 2017 #9

Really. That old quote should be "don't bring a gun to a knife fight". redgreenandblue Jun 2017 #26

Cause guys with guns can't back up? jmg257 Jun 2017 #31

Situational awareness is your best protection Runningdawg Jun 2017 #6

Yes, of course. We should all be aware of what is going on MineralMan Jun 2017 #10

I'd add that to avoid trouble, stay away from the places where trouble hangs out. Binkie The Clown Jun 2017 #8

I think most people try to do that. MineralMan Jun 2017 #11

Very true. Binkie The Clown Jun 2017 #14

That's the reason to mentally rehearse MineralMan Jun 2017 #17

A good self-defense course will include situational awareness and trauma first response. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #15

Good advice, MineralMan hamsterjill Jun 2017 #16

When I teach concealed carry and self defense classes the first lesson Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #21

Are you a gun carrier who opposes Stand Your Ground Laws? Hoyt Jun 2017 #28

No. The victim in a confrontation should not have to be second guessed for how they defend themselve Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #32

About what I expect from a gun promoter. What's your spin on George Zimmerman who created situation Hoyt Jun 2017 #42

Zimmerman was a scumbag and the prosecution botched the case Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #45

The Judge and prosecutor did everything but tell the jury his intimidation with a gun, creating the Hoyt Jun 2017 #47

You failed to understand the case as much as you fail to understand self defense law Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #49

Your interlocutor fails to understand the difference between 'asserted' and 'demonstrated' friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #57

Those who strap on a gun to go to Chuck E Cheeze, tend to look at these things differently than most Hoyt Jun 2017 #69

Just as your criminal element does Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #73

"As a former robber, I locked the door to keep people out, especially police." friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #76

People who lead lifestyles of victimizing others always want their victims disarmed Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #78

I didn't pay a lot of attention to that case... trentwestcott Jun 2017 #64

Bet you didn't miss "purple drank" BS. Fact is, if Zman hadn't grabbed his gun after he saw skinny Hoyt Jun 2017 #68

Ugh. trentwestcott Jun 2017 #71

Most cops never use their weapon zipplewrath Jun 2017 #35

I agree completely. I believe most gun fanciers would carry if there were zero crime. They just Hoyt Jun 2017 #39

Only if you consider the only use of it to be when it is fired Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #40

Most civilian gun toters have never used a gun for anything but intimidation or to bolster their Hoyt Jun 2017 #43

-1 for assumption of facts not presented in evidence friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #56

Do you have some examples of when you've had to use your daily toter? Hoyt Jun 2017 #58

Again, -1 for assumption of facts not in evidence: I do not own a gun, and haven't for decades friendly_iconoclast Jun 2017 #75

Self Fulfilling statistic zipplewrath Jun 2017 #50

I've NEVER been in a situation where me holding a gun would have improved outcomes. hunter Jun 2017 #41

Slightly less anecdotal zipplewrath Jun 2017 #52

I always think twice before calling the police. I shouldn't have to. hunter Jun 2017 #59

Good idea. trentwestcott Jun 2017 #65

It's a dumb job zipplewrath Jun 2017 #66

You're right about that trentwestcott Jun 2017 #72

911 would control zipplewrath Jun 2017 #80

Got into recently with a guy harassing a couple on a light rail platform. Got ugly fast. kairos12 Jun 2017 #23

Yes. That Portland deal was very disturbing. MineralMan Jun 2017 #24

Know which way to run zipplewrath Jun 2017 #36

Everyone should read "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker Dave Starsky Jun 2017 #37

'Go where you will. Die where you must.' An old French friend told me that. GoneOffShore Jun 2017 #44

Only thing I carry for self defense duncang Jun 2017 #46

be aware if you need to run away. pay attention. notice shit. pansypoo53219 Jun 2017 #48

Yes, running away is good advice. Sculpin Beauregard Jun 2017 #51

My son's karate sensei said something very similar Maeve Jun 2017 #53

No, it's an over-reaction to be fearful because of the recent HeartachesNhangovers Jun 2017 #60

Sometimes running away will not avoid danger and you must defend yourself. aikoaiko Jun 2017 #67

Run away if you can. wildeyed Jun 2017 #70

Good advice Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #74

How I am prepared Captain_New_York Jun 2017 #77