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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
9. I trust the recorded count
Fri May 26, 2017, 12:12 AM
May 2017

Nothing has swayed me from that position, although the foreign hacking is far more troublesome than anything debated here in the past 16 years.

The opposition realizes it can continue to voter suppress and get away with it, while the public moronically assesses suppression and fraud as mostly equal concerns. As long as that remains true we're suffering a steady small leak. Republicans may lose an occasional legal battle over suppression or gerrymandered districts but since it's such an ongoing priority they know they'll gain and gain, in small but meaningful numbers.

I don't trust stupid people to avoid being stupid. That's our primary obstacle, far beyond empty whining about fraudulent returns. I have no idea why we haven't already launched a campaign devoted to mocking fake news. The possibilities are endless. People don't like to be laughed at. You can cut the impact of fake news to one cycle as soon as you get enough Facebook types to associate fake news with something like pleated pants or an outdated hairstyle.

The big picture is positive. Last November the percentage of self-identified liberals rose to 26% in the national exit poll compared to 35% self-identified conservatives. It's the first time that gap has dipped below 10% in my lifetime. It was 12% when I first started betting politics. Naturally the media completely ignored that development. Bush was incredibly unpopular post Katrina. Obama was relatively popular. Now Trump begins with record low approval for a new elect. It means a steady diet of young new voters who align Democratic. They will remain that way for the most part but it doesn't attach full impact until they are older and voting more dependably. I may not be here to see it but I know it's coming.

Right now we're stuck with very little opportunity to hold the House unless a very unpopular Republican is president. So there's some hope in 2018. I'll pay attention this time. But while we have been fretting election returns since 2000 the devastating development is both parties moving toward the extremes. That could only benefit the GOP, as I warned Chris Bowers when he started the incomparably ignorant cleansing push on MyDD in maybe 2004. That 35-26 ideological gap dictates outcomes all over the place. Moderates and complacency were our friends, our only chance at holding the House despite so many districts that logically should favor the other side. Once both parties began paying more attention to primaries and treating/funding run of the mill House races like mini Senate races, it was the equivalent of voter suppression...we can't break even.

& how come Dem leadership doesn't discuss it?? furtheradu May 2017 #1
totally agree with you - naivety? fear? I think some places are too scary for people to go. NRaleighLiberal May 2017 #2
Yeah, we are polite, but DTs rapid grenades have exhausted Alice11111 May 2017 #15
Maybe because it calls into question every single elected official? loyalsister May 2017 #22
I want to say I trust the integrity of our elections. welivetotreadonkings May 2017 #3
Distrust and cynicism is what brought me to DU. lpbk2713 May 2017 #4
Pretty much trust actual casting ballots, acknowledging errors and things affecting all Hoyt May 2017 #5
I trust the result of the actual election GulfCoast66 May 2017 #6
Other: Waning more and more. herding cats May 2017 #7
I am a HELL NO. No longer any trust in our system. Which is pretty sad and terrifying, really NRaleighLiberal May 2017 #8
I knew something was up in 2004. herding cats May 2017 #12
"Its not who votes that counts, it who counts the votes." Rethug Peter King 2004. As exit polls and chimpymustgo May 2017 #29
I trust the recorded count Awsi Dooger May 2017 #9
you're more trusting than i am. any computer that CAN be hacked, will be, when there is something ve TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #27
I can't address other places, but I trust my county election results implicitly Brother Buzz May 2017 #10
the "paper trail" will never see the light of day 99.999% of the time, so it is meaningless. TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #26
ANY legally registered voter can demand and receive a recount for any, or no reason. Brother Buzz May 2017 #30
I vote Democratic Party in Florida so I assume my vote is never counted. Solly Mack May 2017 #11
is that you Chad? dweller May 2017 #19
I won't ever get over that either. Solly Mack May 2017 #20
Likewise. The GOP got away with stealing the Y2K sElection. lpbk2713 May 2017 #31
Distrust mvd May 2017 #13
For all those who answered in the negative customerserviceguy May 2017 #14
Nope. Like Obama said, and all black kids get "the talk," Alice11111 May 2017 #18
these things need to be changed, not accepted. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #24
Yes, but until we get some power back, he may be right Alice11111 May 2017 #28
i am certain that there have been multiple election thefts since 2000. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #25
I trust system here...mostly, as I work as election judge Alice11111 May 2017 #16
I have absolute faith in our election system Foamfollower May 2017 #17
I trust the results. I don't trust the voters. TeamPooka May 2017 #21
ZERO; unfortunately the dem leadership couldn't care less about securing our elections. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #23
Depends on what is meant by "results." Orsino May 2017 #32
I live in a majority republican county. Blue_true May 2017 #33
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