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Spitfire of ATJ

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19. Correct: Procedure states he should have kept his breather on and gotten her out of there
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jul 2012

Because if he blacked out he would have been useless and both could have died.

This is why parents are told to put on their own mask before doing their kids in an airline emergency.

When boating. It's not uncommon when someone falls overboard for someone else to dive in to save them and then both end up drowning. Procedure says a rescuer is supposed to operate from a position of safety. In the case of someone overboard you toss a life preserver on a rope and pull them in. You don't dive in yourself and expose yourself to the same same threatening environment.

HOWEVER.

Since he had just travelled the route into the room where he found her it could very well be that he knew of a quick exit. What's to be determined is if it was THAT quick she could have survived a few seconds more of exposure so a compassion call to relieve immediate suffering needs to be factored in. He needs to convince them that his judgement was sound in determining that he could traverse the hazard without risk to himself. That's really tough to do because the degree of the hazard of the environment in question no longer exists and is generally assumed to be 100% toxic in these hearings.

A fire investigator will make a determination on that.

Sad that heroes aren't supposed to risk life and limb especially when being a hero is your daily job but there it is.

kr HiPointDem Jul 2012 #1
Trained professionals follow procedures for a reason. CBGLuthier Jul 2012 #2
Sometimes procedures need to yield to pragmatism. marmar Jul 2012 #4
Very true permatex Jul 2012 #18
Come one, is procedure more important than lives? demwing Jul 2012 #13
Trained professional also know that not every circumstance is covered by procedure, policy or protoc LanternWaste Jul 2012 #15
Correct: Procedure states he should have kept his breather on and gotten her out of there Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #19
Fuck procedure. phleshdef Jul 2012 #26
Procedures are guidelines... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #37
Romney would Worried senior Jul 2012 #3
It sounds bad, but there's a reason for this cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #5
Sounds like he took a big breath and then gave her one, he shared. siligut Jul 2012 #6
I'm not really saying anything against him cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #9
That's funny, I used the same comparison. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #20
Sure, let the victim panic because she can't breath - RC Jul 2012 #25
Despite your keen observations, it is possible cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #39
It WAS a calculated risk. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2012 #7
+1000 rufus dog Jul 2012 #14
THIS time it was calculated correctly ... littlewolf Jul 2012 #16
I agree permatex Jul 2012 #21
This ^^^^^^^^^^ Rex Jul 2012 #30
You're being results oriented mythology Jul 2012 #41
Procedure cannot concieve every possibility. DrewFlorida Jul 2012 #8
If this went into his personnel jacket permatex Jul 2012 #22
If it went into his employee record, I would disagree with that. DrewFlorida Jul 2012 #31
Hopefully all that happened was that permatex Jul 2012 #32
With a positive pressure mask, JoeyT Jul 2012 #10
it's like that story of the lifeguards who went out of their zone. barbtries Jul 2012 #11
notice that even on this supposedly progressive board, Occulus Jul 2012 #24
Not sure where you get the idea! DrewFlorida Jul 2012 #33
+100000000 permatex Jul 2012 #38
i did notice that. barbtries Jul 2012 #35
Notice that on this board not everyone is a fool cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #40
I was thinking of this thread, and the lifeguard one *specifically*. Occulus Jul 2012 #42
Philadelphia firefighters are all heroes. RebelOne Jul 2012 #12
in the fire service freelancing is dangerous - a big FU to Fox for exploiting Agony Jul 2012 #17
Good call Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #23
I'm assuming it was based on real life experiences, hedgehog Jul 2012 #27
I'm not sure if Rescue Me was based on real life experiences. permatex Jul 2012 #34
I can see both sides...... but Smilo Jul 2012 #28
often the procedure is there to protect the institution, not the people. unblock Jul 2012 #29
What an amazing person.... We need more of him in Washington.... To teach how to serve the people... midnight Jul 2012 #36
In spite of procedure, he saved her life Kennah Jul 2012 #43
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