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NRaleighLiberal

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Sun Apr 30, 2017, 05:25 PM Apr 2017

Wow - TPM. "Priebus: Trump Considering Amending or Abolishing 1st Amendment" [View all]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/priebus-trump-considering-amending-or-abolishing-1st-amendment

By JOSH MARSHALL Published APRIL 30, 2017 3:41 PM

A number of press reports have picked up this exchange this morning between ABC’s Jonathan Karl and White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus. But people have missed the real significance. Priebus doesn’t discuss changing ‘press laws’ or ‘libel laws’. He specifically says that the White House has considered and continues to consider amending or even abolishing the 1st Amendment because of critical press coverage of President Trump.

Sound hyperbolic? Look at the actual exchange (emphasis added) …

KARL: I want to ask you about two things the President has said on related issues. First of all, there was what he said about opening up the libel laws. Tweeting “the failing New York Times has disgraced the media world. Gotten me wrong for two solid years. Change the libel laws?” That would require, as I understand it, a constitutional amendment. Is he really going to pursue that? Is that something he wants to pursue?

PRIEBUS: I think it’s something that we’ve looked at. How that gets executed or whether that goes anywhere is a different story. But when you have articles out there that have no basis or fact and we’re sitting here on 24/7 cable companies writing stories about constant contacts with Russia and all these other matters—

KARL: So you think the President should be able to sue the New York Times for stories he doesn’t like?

PRIEBUS: Here’s what I think. I think that newspapers and news agencies need to be more responsible with how they report the news. I am so tired.

KARL: I don’t think anybody would disagree with that. It’s about whether or not the President should have a right to sue them.

PRIEBUS: And I already answered the question. I said this is something that is being looked at. But it’s something that as far as how it gets executed, where we go with it, that’s another issue.



Karl says, accurately, that that kind of clampdown on 1st Amendment rights would require amending the Constitution. Is that what Priebus means, Karl asks? Yes, it is, says Priebus.

Now one might respond to this saying, ‘Okay, technically that’s what he said. But he probably doesn’t actually mean it.’

To which I think the answer is, sure maybe he doesn’t mean but why would anyone assume that? He said it and repeated it. The changes President Trump wants are blocked by decades of decades of jurisprudence which is little contested, unlike other hot button points of constitutional law. If you want what Trump wants, you have to amend the constitution – and not the constitution in general but the 1st Amendment specifically. Amending the 1st Amendment to allow the head of state to sue people who say things he doesn’t like amounts to abolishing it.

None of these are tenuous connections. Each link in the chain of reasoning follows logically from the other.

This, needless to say, should set off everyone’s alarm bells. If this isn’t really what Priebus meant, he should be given the chance to categorically disavow it. The plain meaning of the words, on the record, is that abridging or abolishing the 1st Amendment is something the Trump White House is currently considering.

Big deal.
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He didn't say that oberliner Apr 2017 #1
This is an editorial by Josh Marshall - since I don't watch TV and trust TPM NRaleighLiberal Apr 2017 #4
Understood oberliner Apr 2017 #6
Reince Priebus on libel laws Miles Archer Apr 2017 #8
He does not say Trump is considering abolishing the First Amendment oberliner Apr 2017 #15
Well, it's not disingenuous of ME, because I posted that clip for YOU. Miles Archer Apr 2017 #16
Agreed oberliner Apr 2017 #17
He said they were "looking at it"... kentuck Apr 2017 #30
Looking at libel laws oberliner Apr 2017 #40
Looking at a "constitutional amendment"! sharedvalues Apr 2017 #54
The reporter says: "That would require, as I understand it, a Constitutional amendment" oberliner Apr 2017 #57
Libel changes - First Amendment implications sharedvalues Apr 2017 #59
Fair enough oberliner Apr 2017 #61
Ok sharedvalues Apr 2017 #62
He's just trying to get a grunt out of his base. louis-t May 2017 #76
Exactly oberliner May 2017 #77
Indeed he did say that, in response to a direct clear question. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #46
No, he doesnt oberliner Apr 2017 #48
I can copy and paste Priebus for you all day sharedvalues Apr 2017 #51
There are no federal libel laws oberliner Apr 2017 #53
Free speech. Constitutional amendment sharedvalues Apr 2017 #55
Neither the interviewer nor RP understand the Constitution or libel laws very well oberliner Apr 2017 #58
Key: Priebus trifles with Constitutional​ amendment sharedvalues Apr 2017 #60
"Amending" would appear to be the appropriate word, not "abolishing" kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2017 #49
But the reasons are tantamount to abolishing. kcr May 2017 #67
He said it sharedvalues Apr 2017 #32
"Abolishing the First Amendment" is not mentioned oberliner Apr 2017 #44
Asked about amendment. Priebus said "evaluating". That's concurrence. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #45
"That is a huge deal." Not really. cstanleytech May 2017 #74
How so? Sure looks like he said it to me. n/t kcr May 2017 #66
BFD. The idiot can say anything he wants. Aristus Apr 2017 #2
It takes 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment. rug Apr 2017 #19
Thank you. Aristus Apr 2017 #65
Fascists. onecaliberal Apr 2017 #3
This would go both ways. Breitbart and FOX News would be put out of business in a New York minute. TheBlackAdder May 2017 #68
The 1st Amendment is the foundation on which our freedom is built. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #5
I cringe every time Trump attacks the press. Initech May 2017 #70
He can't just wave a magic wand. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2017 #7
I think it requires 75% of the states to adopt any amendment. George II Apr 2017 #12
Yes n/t brendacoupons Apr 2017 #13
I learned that number well during the battle for the ERA. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2017 #22
That's where I remember it from, it came so close to being ratified (35 of the 38 required states) George II Apr 2017 #24
Its failure was deeply disappointing. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2017 #26
Aside from the fact that the headline on TPM is only half true brendacoupons Apr 2017 #9
Priebus was asked a clear question and responded. Done. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #34
Where did he mention abolishing the First Amendment? n/t brendacoupons Apr 2017 #39
Replied "evaluating" when asked about const. amendment sharedvalues Apr 2017 #43
Other than the headline brendacoupons May 2017 #75
So trump is thinking of trying to get part of the Bill of Rights repealed? Yet he rails about... George II Apr 2017 #10
This. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2017 #23
I thought he already had..... BigmanPigman Apr 2017 #11
Trump can not pass Trumpcare or funding for the wall but wants to amend First Amendment Gothmog Apr 2017 #14
Can the United States sue him for the all the lies out of his mouth FloridaBlues Apr 2017 #18
I believe Dump would LIKE to abolish the 1st Amendment NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #20
Won't happen malaise Apr 2017 #21
It's about calling a Constitutional Convention bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #25
And they are blueinredohio Apr 2017 #27
A study of history bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #38
beyond snowflake. i suggest we call him a blizzard. pansypoo53219 Apr 2017 #28
He didn't say it and he couldn't do it. onenote Apr 2017 #29
Actually, you're quite mistaken. Girard442 Apr 2017 #33
Actually I'm not. onenote Apr 2017 #41
Priebus was suggesting more - amendment. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #47
Back to my original point -- The president has almost no role in amending the constitution onenote Apr 2017 #64
Priebus said "evaluating" to a direct question. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #35
To all those people I worked with: now do you believe me when I called them 'fascists'? sinkingfeeling Apr 2017 #31
45's tweet is a question. Unless 45 actually tweets his intent to amend the 1st Amendment, ancianita Apr 2017 #36
"Constitutional amendment" - The interviewer sharedvalues Apr 2017 #52
That's the thing: it's just talk, and so unlikely it's not worth TPM worrying us about it. ancianita Apr 2017 #63
talk...about the most sacred principles of American democracy sharedvalues May 2017 #80
the minute they do away with the 1st amendment is the day i head to D.C. tapermaker May 2017 #79
oh please, oh please, oh please try it. keep talking about it. mopinko Apr 2017 #37
Bring it . pack lunch Prebis. A big one. irisblue Apr 2017 #50
One should have to pass a civics test before running for public office Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #42
Can you imagine drumpf attempting to abolish the 1st Amendment? democratisphere Apr 2017 #56
If he even attempts to do that, it will be an act of war against the American people. Initech May 2017 #69
Agreed. democratisphere May 2017 #71
Yup, that will be a step too far. Initech May 2017 #72
Why Does The Liberal Media RobinA May 2017 #73
This is just bullshit so we don't talk about Russia. CanonRay May 2017 #78
Regret to say it, but you are all so naive... oldcynic May 2017 #81
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