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212. Oh God, okay...

Reply to lapucelle (Reply #203)

Wed Apr 26, 2017, 08:59 PM

Apr 2017

...bring on the Republican candidate.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2017 OP

Seems legit. dchill Apr 2017 #1

who is Warren Buffett voting for. He is a Democrat that likes to make Jim Beard Apr 2017 #106

He is also pro choice and has given to Planned Parenthood Alice11111 Apr 2017 #131

I thought the primaries ended last summer. Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #2

Me too. But some people are STILL campaigning against Bernie Ken Burch Apr 2017 #5

You are right KB, we ALL need to accept the fact Hillary lost to Trump. NOT Bernie! JoeOtterbein Apr 2017 #24

Bernie might want to check what his consituents think of him right now ehrnst Apr 2017 #66

Still the highest In the Senate karynnj Apr 2017 #104

All the Senators topping this list have small, white, primarily rural homogenous populations ehrnst Apr 2017 #189

Gas lighting doesn't work here, we can read Sanders RECENT statements and still think they're shitty uponit7771 Apr 2017 #28

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #65

Gas lighting is in the running for the most useless fad word. Nt karynnj Apr 2017 #105

Its valid here, people are questioning the ire at Sanders as if there were no unfair bashing of the uponit7771 Apr 2017 #116

Buzzwords and bumpersticker slogans only work the first Exilednight Apr 2017 #152

Yep karynnj Apr 2017 #157

Gaslighting for the left... (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #190

Yes, they are still campaigning. zentrum Apr 2017 #40

Kaine has a 100% rating from NARAL lapucelle Apr 2017 #203

Oh God, okay... zentrum Apr 2017 #212

I'm disputing the Kaine - Mello lapucelle Apr 2017 #215

I know. zentrum Apr 2017 #218

He's been made outreach director of the Democrats. Last I heard, this board is called ehrnst Apr 2017 #64

He is still the highest of any Senator in that poll. Nt karynnj Apr 2017 #107

Among his constituents. All the top Senators in that list are from small, very homogenous ehrnst Apr 2017 #110

He is strongest in the most diverse, progressive town in the state karynnj Apr 2017 #115

He's the most popular Dem senator in his home state of all. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #119

You're right, the Dem primaries were over months ago but this pro-lifer was... brush Apr 2017 #117

Actually, Sanders also endorsed lapucelle Apr 2017 #209

You have nothing to say on his failure to endorse Ossoff for an immediate House seat? brush Apr 2017 #217

I've been saying a lot about it on other threads. lapucelle Apr 2017 #219

Burn him at the stake. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #132

But Bernie does not have the all important "D" behind his name. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #3

Even though he's more of a Democrat mac56 Apr 2017 #8

Which begs the question of who defines what a Democrat is. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #9

In what ways? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #111

That's got npthing to do with it.. it's his divisive Cha Apr 2017 #27

There are many issues that divide Democrats. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #80

BS gets on TV all the time to Insult the Dems.. big Cha Apr 2017 #98

Some see division, some see needed critical analysis. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #100

As with Bernie's statements relegating women's health to a "social issue" ehrnst Apr 2017 #113

The Democrats unity tour fractured into disunity almost immediately after it began. Senator Bernie Cha Apr 2017 #130

Given that there can be many possible definitions of what progressive means, guillaumeb Apr 2017 #169

So if Ted Cruz said he was progressive, you would agree? ehrnst Apr 2017 #198

Obviously for Our Revolution, lapucelle Apr 2017 #210

Elizabeth Warren also endorsed Perriello. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #211

I have no problem calling Warren out on both this lapucelle Apr 2017 #213

Not in terms of social justice issues. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #112

I believe that Sanders ranks the issues differently. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #120

We disagree on the definition of "dismiss." ehrnst Apr 2017 #193

Bernie SAYS he's not a Democrat. Why shouldn't we believe him? n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #41

I am a believer in socialism, and describe myself that way. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #81

The post I was responding to was addressing the question of whether Bernie pnwmom Apr 2017 #92

I feel that his criticism is intended to be constructive. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #99

That's probably his intention but the effect is more often destructive.It lends to the misperception pnwmom Apr 2017 #101

AN excellent point, and I agree. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #102

You mean like "dismiss" them as a distraction to the "universal" ehrnst Apr 2017 #194

Class and economic issues affect everyone. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #204

No, but it does disqualify you as a Democratic Candidate if you disagree with the platform. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #114

But US parties are NOT parliamentary style parties. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #122

I didn't say that they were. ehrnst Apr 2017 #195

If Cruz had a "D" behind his name, would he be considered one? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #205

My ideology is Democratic Socialist too. I always vote Dem, Alice11111 Apr 2017 #133

Why didn't he campaign for Ossoff to get an immediate House seat... brush Apr 2017 #47

I would agree that he could have done both. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #82

Why didn't the DNC? nt Kirkwood Apr 2017 #153

Who is the outreach chairman? brush Apr 2017 #155

So Bernie decides who the DNC supports and who they don't? Kirkwood Apr 2017 #160

So you don't think helping Ossoff gain a US House seat falls under the outreach ... brush Apr 2017 #164

The selection and omission are definitely deliberate ehrnst Apr 2017 #196

I'll say. Because as Outreach director, he's tasked ehrnst Apr 2017 #182

Tom Perez went to Georgia in fact and did campaign with Ossoff... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #168

We're talking about going before the primary election, not after. nt Kirkwood Apr 2017 #171

Which primary? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #173

No, the division is the sin treestar Apr 2017 #75

And the same holds for W. Virginia, and Missouri. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #83

So why does he rail against Dems with a progressive record that casts a single vote ehrnst Apr 2017 #199

I cannot answer for Sanders. Obviously. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #206

Imagine if we extended that sort of understanding to a presidential election ehrnst Apr 2017 #174

Being outside the DNC establishment is also a sin he commited. romanic Apr 2017 #118

In what way is he "outside the Democratic establishment"? ehrnst Apr 2017 #175

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #176

Can you be more specific? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Apr 2017 #184

Sen Sanders is not a Democrat. musette_sf Apr 2017 #125

His current party affiliation is all one needs to believe this. ehrnst Apr 2017 #180

The Primary is over SirBrockington Apr 2017 #4

Agreed. Which means that no one should be vilifying the guy any more Ken Burch Apr 2017 #6

No one should criticize him because it might drive him away. To where? Demit Apr 2017 #15

Good grief! He said "vilify" not "criticize". cheapdate Apr 2017 #29

I agree that they are different words. They even have different letters! Demit Apr 2017 #46

Make honest arguments and I'll unstick the cap-lock. Deal? cheapdate Apr 2017 #54

But the poster didn't specify that they made a distinction. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #187

It was unequivocally a direct reply to the post that preceded it. cheapdate Apr 2017 #216

There is a difference between "vilifying" and legitimate criticism. moriah Apr 2017 #97

I don't think that critiquing him on his current job is "vilifying" or 'refighting the primary: ehrnst Apr 2017 #185

Biden is not in the Senate. Nt karynnj Apr 2017 #108

Biden isn't VP or Senator anymore as of January. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #186

you have posted this several times and each time it has been pointed out to be inaccurate dsc Apr 2017 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #13

So you would accept that logic on banning a minimum wage dsc Apr 2017 #17

What matters is that Bernie didn't endorse Mello when the guy was doing those things. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #18

I have no problem with him endorsing Mello dsc Apr 2017 #19

+1, I don't like the ideological purism except when it comes to social issues folk. If Mello looked uponit7771 Apr 2017 #26

Mello voted for a law that denied insurance for abortion, and a 20 week ban...so Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #94

So now, Bernie is OK with things that people voted for in the past? ehrnst Apr 2017 #188

Oh, so, if he had made a protest vote wouldn't have made a difference? ehrnst Apr 2017 #67

What about this? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #72

Yes, you are right. This is a TERRIBLE candidate, and look who is endorsing him Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #103

It's the selection and deliberate omission in who earns the blessing of "progressive" ehrnst Apr 2017 #197

Yes he did actually vote to restrict choice. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #95

He voted for a 20 week ban. That is a deal breaker. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #109

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #37

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #10

not representing truth Cane4Dems Apr 2017 #11

Clearly not. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #192

Not factual. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #12

Well.... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #14

There were two candidates in this race. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #20

First of all sheshe2 Apr 2017 #22

I called Mello's campaign office rpannier Apr 2017 #31

Happy to say that voting for them is not a 'choice' sheshe2 Apr 2017 #36

How very nuanced of you rpannier Apr 2017 #38

!!! Alice11111 Apr 2017 #135

Bernie said Jane Kleeb NE D party chair called him Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #140

not doubting it rpannier Apr 2017 #141

I agree we shouldn't be dwelling on the Omaha mayor's race. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author tammywammy Apr 2017 #51

I agree that it is being used as a catalyst ehrnst Apr 2017 #70

There can be no economic justice without Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #73

I AGREE with you that there can be no economic justice WITHOUT social justice. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #138

I wish that was the actual thinking, but the reality is, when you say ehrnst Apr 2017 #151

I'm not dismissing any of that myself. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #170

Nebraska has a split electoral system. In 2008, we got 1 blue vote Alice11111 Apr 2017 #136

We do need to understand what the actual mistakes were before ehrnst Apr 2017 #172

I'll answer one of your questions. Exilednight Apr 2017 #158

So, why did Bernie choose this particular race and not the GA 6 to draw attention to? ehrnst Apr 2017 #68

Jane Kleeb from Our Revolution is the chair of the Nebraska Democratic party. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #96

Ah, the one who went on about how we can have pro-forced birth Democrats.. ehrnst Apr 2017 #143

That is the one. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #146

They are equating "pro-choice" with "pro-abortion," and "pro-life" with a moral stance ehrnst Apr 2017 #150

Yes which is why I looked at the voting records of both Mello and Perriello (VA Governor's race) Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #154

And interestingly enough Perriello "the true progressive" is taking dark money ehrnst Apr 2017 #156

I know...everything that the former party Purists complained about ...Perriello does...but for Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #161

And with anti-choice votes on his record, but still strongly endorsed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #162

I don't know why Bernie made the choices that he made there. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #137

will energize progressives and encourage strong candidates to run in 2018 Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #142

Why was Bernie compelled to say something about a mayoral race in NE? Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #129

So where was Bernie in the Ossoff race, rather than pointedly refusing to call him a progressive. ehrnst Apr 2017 #191

I honestly don't know what he was thinking there. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #208

No it was not identical and you know that. boston bean Apr 2017 #16

There were many much more pro-choice people HRC could have put on the ticket. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #48

"Tim Kaine is pro-choice, not pro-death" Cha Apr 2017 #50

Mello has pledged that, as mayor, he will effectively defend choice. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #53

Omaha Mayoral Candidate Under Fire For Anti-Choice Past Vows To Protect Reproductive Rights Cha Apr 2017 #56

You could have done all that without accusing Bernie of selling you out. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #57

Women's BackLash, Against Mello, Worked! Cha Apr 2017 #58

This was all set in motion by Bernie's selective endorsements ehrnst Apr 2017 #71

I do consider it a sell out of women's rights. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #74

But it's the deliberate refusal to call Ossoff progressive, in a race that is far more ehrnst Apr 2017 #200

OK, I think he should have and should still call Ossoff progressive Ken Burch Apr 2017 #207

Actually, Kaine got a 100% from NARAL ehrnst Apr 2017 #69

Yup. Thank You eom Arazi Apr 2017 #21

Wow... 3 Threads On The Same Subject In A Matter Of Hours Me. Apr 2017 #23

I know SCantiGOP Apr 2017 #25

By The Same Poster No Less Me. Apr 2017 #34

I know, right? Because DU rules specify sharing only one article on a topic per member ehrnst Apr 2017 #144

Probably because this topic became the issue du joir for like 3 days in a row rpannier Apr 2017 #32

I Get That Me. Apr 2017 #159

ERMEGERD - did you see all the Ivanka in Berlin posts in as many hours???? ehrnst Apr 2017 #201

Totally Me. Apr 2017 #202

Defense of alt left hero. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #45

Bernie Sanders is not a democrat LostinRed Apr 2017 #30

And I am guessing, this will go on for another billion rpannier Apr 2017 #33

Saw the vid clip of Tom Perez shouting Bernie, Bernie, Bernie? Guess dae Apr 2017 #42

Perhaps some background might soften your view... perhaps not. This is being left out of the JudyM Apr 2017 #78

How many times are you going to sum up murielm99 Apr 2017 #35

How many times does it take to make a lie into a reality La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #44

That is FALSE and you know it. Tim Kaine has never taken these positions: pnwmom Apr 2017 #39

Some people will lie through their teeth to defend their hero La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #43

good god... chillfactor Apr 2017 #52

And next... fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #55

Kaine has a solid pro-choice voting record. Mello does not. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #59

Tim Kaine had the same positions as the Candidate for Mayor of Omaha in some matters... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #60

Yeah. Or people are lying about tim Kaine La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #61

Not on women. Tim Kaine never voted against women - he got 100% from NARAL. ehrnst Apr 2017 #63

Kaine has a solid pro-choice voting record. Mello doesn't emulatorloo Apr 2017 #76

Yes....Bernie Is Capable of Defending Himself... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #79

I would vote for Mello if I lived in Omaha. But I don't need to misrepresent Kaine's voting record. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #84

Was Tim Kaine PREVIOUSLY.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #85

He's got a 100% rating from Naral. He has a solid Pro-choice record, Mello doesn't. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #86

PREVIOUSLY....Defined Means.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #87

"Promoting" adoption doesn't restrict access to safe and legal abortion. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #88

"promoting adoption and abstinence-focused education" LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #89

"How do you feel about not allowing insurance to cover abortion" emulatorloo Apr 2017 #91

Nope. Tim Kaine never voted against women - he got 100% from NARAL. ehrnst Apr 2017 #62

And this must not go unpunished. n/t Orsino Apr 2017 #77

Sick of the condescending mansplaing and nondemocrat complaining about dems. we can do it Apr 2017 #90

Doesn't mansplaining suggest that men's opinions don't really count? FiveGoodMen Apr 2017 #139

Let me know when Tim Kaine's voting record looks like gestational slaver Mello: musette_sf Apr 2017 #93

No. That's incomplete. And you know it. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #121

The pro-corporate wing of the party is scared that his economic message will destroy their funding. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #123

Bingo. n/t QC Apr 2017 #134

That is nonsense. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #147

Abortion rights will only get thrown under the bus if you let republicans win. Nt killbotfactory Apr 2017 #166

Sorry...endorsing an anti-choice candidate shows a willingness to shelve reproductive rights Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #167

"will not work to restrict choice" musette_sf Apr 2017 #124

Because Senator Sanders has NEVER castigated someone on the basis of their past votes ehrnst Apr 2017 #145

No betrayal. elleng Apr 2017 #126

So we become a 50 state party by throwing civil rights under the bus... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #149

No such thing. elleng Apr 2017 #163

I heard his words...about pro-choice ...and the normalization movement of of anti-choice candidates Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #165

Long past time for the Bernie bashing to stop left-of-center2012 Apr 2017 #127

Long past time, for some to understand that when Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #148

Tim Kaine has a 100% rating from NARAL, lapucelle Apr 2017 #128

Keep beating that dead horse a bit longer...nt comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #177

And that whole Keystone XL Pipeline thing? Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #179

Not sure where you're going with that question Ken Burch Apr 2017 #181

But Tim Kaine never sponsored a bill to restrict (via sensationalism, i.e., ultrasounds) abortion. George II Apr 2017 #183

And so did Elizabeth Warren............. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #214

Yet 220 replies. Dorian Gray Apr 2017 #220

Self-deleting this thread because I did more harm than good in posting it. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #221