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In reply to the discussion: The Uncurious, Continuing, Stubborn Refusal to Grasp Bernie Sanders [View all]moriah
(8,311 posts).... than to try to play "I'm less establishment than you". It distracts from the actual issues.
I'm rather determined on this subject because I have a friend who is a Libertarian. And a brother and sister who identify as Libertarian. The anti-"Establishment" holier-than-thou BS from them has made me lose my lunch so many times it's not funny.
They don't lean Republican, either, they lean toward an egotistical apathy. It's like they are ready to fiddle while it all burns down because Hillary was "so corrupt and Establishment", and even though they said they supported Bernie on the Democratic side this year, none of the three went to the polls and voted in the primaries. And in the General they voted for Johnson. But most of Johnson's "supporters" in the polls that didn't actually vote for him voted for Trump.
I also know several who voted for Stein, because again, Hillary was too "Establishment".
I am sorry if I seemed like I was jumping your crap. I'm just... irked... with what I've seen from most people I know who claim to be "Independents". I don't want to pander to their special snowflake egotism. Instead, I want us to make policy that promotes progressive values and if they are actually more interested in issues than being able to claim to be "above it all", the progressives among them will vote for us.