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stevenleser

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127. Using a logical fallacy like argumentum ad populum doesn't help you.

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:22 AM

Apr 2017

The cool kids in high school were popular too, regardless of the fact that their "coolness" was predicated on completely superficial issues.

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The Uncurious, Continuing, Stubborn Refusal to Grasp Bernie Sanders [View all] babylonsister Apr 2017 OP

So when BS' candidates lose, it's not BS' fault, but "the establishment" DNC? Got it. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #1

Well, it has to be "the establishment"'s fault Progressive dog Apr 2017 #155

The Establishment is only thing protecting us from Trump: Sanders his helping the GOP lewebley3 Apr 2017 #171

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Nonsense. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2017 #176

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Aw Jezz LOL Lib Apr 2017 #2

Couldn't've said it better myself. PdxSean Apr 2017 #4

My sentiments exactly. Lisa0825 Apr 2017 #9

+1 nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #22

LOL is right... WARNING: DON'T READ ANYMORE LakeArenal Apr 2017 #73

Bernie threads... LOL Lib Apr 2017 #147

That guy looks like I feel Progressive dog Apr 2017 #174

So much stupid, meaningless crap. JNelson6563 Apr 2017 #3

They fear our unity. That's why Russ trolls were doing this in 2016 sharedvalues Apr 2017 #161

It is brilliant if you don't want Progressive dog Apr 2017 #175

Another thing folks don't get (especially here on DU) is that Sanders doesn't care what you think. mikehiggins Apr 2017 #5

It's great when a politician doesn't care what you think, isn't it? athena Apr 2017 #7

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #31

He cared very much, for he sought to persuade them. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #32

Which is precisely what Bernie tries to do Rural_Progressive Apr 2017 #70

Good summation. KPN Apr 2017 #136

+1000 LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #148

+1000 dchill Apr 2017 #163

+ 1000! Plucketeer Apr 2017 #168

Good post. (n/t) SMC22307 Apr 2017 #186

MLK was not a politician. He was an activist. athena Apr 2017 #84

BS' divisive insulting Attacks on The Democratic Party aren't Cha Apr 2017 #87

Yeah - doncha just HATE IT Plucketeer Apr 2017 #167

Ahhh so Bernie is MLK now? Chevy Apr 2017 #112

Just stop comparing Sanders with MLK Jr. now obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #120

Say what you mean, mean what you say. What a concept. nt babylonsister Apr 2017 #8

It would be nice if the followed through on what he said last year. Vesper Apr 2017 #48

Really? babylonsister Apr 2017 #65

Yes, really. Vesper Apr 2017 #117

"Sanders doesn't care what you think." NCTraveler Apr 2017 #12

Agree ananda Apr 2017 #13

Ben and Jerrys ring a bell? N/T Chevy Apr 2017 #113

does sanders speak for Ben and Jerry's? Is he trying to lift taxes on Ice Cream job makers? nt JCanete Apr 2017 #115

Straw meet man. Darkhawk32 Apr 2017 #164

Straw Man: valid counter-examples which don't validate our biases... LanternWaste Apr 2017 #196

And, it fucking shows when BS insults the Democratic Cha Apr 2017 #15

Powerful Me. Apr 2017 #37

Mahalo Me. Cha Apr 2017 #81

Didn't he say Clinton was unfit to be President? Nt NCTraveler Apr 2017 #42

He said she was unqualified. Vesper Apr 2017 #55

He's still running around talking about "the elites". Most divisive shit I've heard from an "ally". Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #53

BS is still talking about the "Elites"? When Susan Sarandon & Stein Cha Apr 2017 #67

You always post the same stupid shit. Bluepinky Apr 2017 #154

+1. JudyM Apr 2017 #160

God yes. Iraq is now a mere blip... SMC22307 Apr 2017 #185

That's tellin' 'em, Mike! NBachers Apr 2017 #16

lol.. Cha Apr 2017 #18

We KNOW he doesn't care NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #33

Maybe Bernie Sanders isnt the guy for the unity tour. Me. Apr 2017 #41

NO unity tour...waste of time and money. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #192

Symone Sanders: "In retrospect, she said, Maybe Bernie Sanders isnt the guy for the unity tour. Cha Apr 2017 #83

"Sanders doesn't care what you think." Oh, my, what a ringing endorsement! That's exactly what lunamagica Apr 2017 #106

And that is a good thing. Jolly Sapper Apr 2017 #135

Shhhhhhhhh LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #149

This is what makes du suck. cwydro Apr 2017 #6

Me, Too Leith Apr 2017 #21

Hear here! Like dogs and their pull toy... nt. druidity33 Apr 2017 #28

Cliff notes: Ego nt NCTraveler Apr 2017 #10

+1 grossproffit Apr 2017 #122

Bernie should have simply replied that he hadn't followed Ossoff's race. pnwmom Apr 2017 #11

The thing is he SHOULD have been following Ossoff's campaign, and he SHOULD have known... George II Apr 2017 #47

I agree. But at the very least, he shouldn't have been so dismissive. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #51

Yes. This. MontanaMama Apr 2017 #76

YES. THIS. BamaRefugee Apr 2017 #162

Simple. How logical! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #62

Yeah, BS didn't follow the exciting race in Georgia with Cha Apr 2017 #95

OH JHC.. Why isn't BS Grasping that the Democratic Cha Apr 2017 #14

Whoa. I get it. You don't like him and now have a library babylonsister Apr 2017 #43

Don't try to make this about me.. this is about BS insulting the Cha Apr 2017 #66

You didn't read the article, did you. Whatever, we can agree to disagree, babylonsister Apr 2017 #68

Like I said.. don't try to make this about me. BS Cha Apr 2017 #69

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So have Dems.. BS doesn't need to Insult the Democratic Party.. Cha Apr 2017 #102

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You learn the difference...BS insulting the Democratic Party isn't helping Cha Apr 2017 #107

Stop spamming the fucking board. (n/t) SMC22307 Apr 2017 #187

Someone has a lot of time on thier hands. romanic Apr 2017 #189

Or someone is a passionate Democrat on a forum called Democratic Underground which is for betsuni Apr 2017 #190

Mahalo, betsuni.. I was sure that "name removed" didn't know Cha Apr 2017 #191

Welcome to DU, SebassSea. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #109

I wonder if that was Librarygirl? nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #129

Dunno... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #137

Not her, just another troll. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2017 #194

facts are good uponit7771 Apr 2017 #139

I'm glad that you voted for Hillary in the general Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #151

Sanders has always put women's civil rights at a lower priority geek tragedy Apr 2017 #17

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Oh I fucking "grasp" him alright .. Why Can't BS "Grasp" this.. Cha Apr 2017 #19

Go get 'em shenmue Apr 2017 #23

Hey shenmue! Cha Apr 2017 #26

+ a bazillion. Thanks, Cha! spooky3 Apr 2017 #24

You're Welcome, Spooky! Cha Apr 2017 #27

:-) spooky3 Apr 2017 #35

The worst thing about his not supporting Ossaff NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #38

Oh really? Cha Apr 2017 #64

After the election, of course NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #134

lol@BS.."Sanders endorses Ossoff, but won't call him a progressive" Cha Apr 2017 #188

kick & rec!!! still_one Apr 2017 #39

That's the only way to describe it. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #63

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #140

Give it a fucking rest,,,,,, geeeez Cryptoad Apr 2017 #20

Sure would have been nice to see his tax returns. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #25

Thats just Bernie acting with integrity, like he always does. Demit Apr 2017 #50

Did we ever see his last FEC filing? murielm99 Apr 2017 #150

I've met Bernie, followed his political career and can say he means what he says flamingdem Apr 2017 #29

Wow! I'm from NY. babylonsister Apr 2017 #45

Bernie can do, say, and align himself as he wishes. But have the guts to do so WinkyDink Apr 2017 #30

What? He is an Independent who aligns himself with Dems. babylonsister Apr 2017 #49

Yeah, when he isn't gratuitously Insulting Dems by calling Cha Apr 2017 #90

Know who else is an independant? Chevy Apr 2017 #116

Nice RW talking points in your removed post below ornotna Apr 2017 #52

Bull.. that's got nothing to do with your Accusation of "RW talking points" Cha Apr 2017 #88

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Just who is this so-called "Democratic Establishment"? Is it those Democrats who don't walk still_one Apr 2017 #36

It's the +4 million more of us who chose the other candidate. It's obvious he's still smarting.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #57

you are right still_one Apr 2017 #74

Right.. the Problem wasn't BS' support for Mello.. it was Cha Apr 2017 #78

Thanks Cha still_one Apr 2017 #79

I'd say you've got it backwards. intheflow Apr 2017 #165

thank you for posting this ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #40

It took courage. babylonsister Apr 2017 #46

it was also interesting that it wasn't really the "Washington Post" with that ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #54

This subject should in no way be dismissed as irrelevant at DU. Ghost Dog Apr 2017 #44

Let's not get distracted. SCVDem Apr 2017 #56

K & R and thank you for this post mountain grammy Apr 2017 #58

There's hope. Watch the protests this weekend babylonsister Apr 2017 #60

He is helping us, he doesn't have to march in lockstep. If he helps on balance, and he does far JudyM Apr 2017 #75

Bernie is one of the most liked politicians in the country killbotfactory Apr 2017 #146

And who is saying that Sanders won't come around before the runoff and support him? YOHABLO Apr 2017 #59

He does, seems like. babylonsister Apr 2017 #61

Thanks for posting this, babylonsister. democrank Apr 2017 #71

That's because "the establishment" is a meaningless bogeyman. It's a campaign slogan, nothing more stevenleser Apr 2017 #85

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Disingenuous to say the establishment is a meaningless bogeyman. LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #157

So true. mdbl Apr 2017 #180

Interesting perspective, thanks LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #183

It's not disengenuous, it's spot on. Sorry if you were fooled but that's not my fault. stevenleser Apr 2017 #193

"several folks" is not the established leadership LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #195

One could say similar things about some people not being able to handle a word spoken against mythology Apr 2017 #93

Quite a straw man you've constructed there. Demit Apr 2017 #100

... LexVegas Apr 2017 #72

The author of the article isn't listening. betsuni Apr 2017 #77

The way they use that fucking buzzword "establishment" pisses me Off.. They Cha Apr 2017 #80

Yup. betsuni Apr 2017 #82

"The Establishment" is a meaningless slogan for folks who want to seem cool and edgy. stevenleser Apr 2017 #86

+1 betsuni Apr 2017 #89

John Lewis and Planned Parenhood were deemed "establishment" Cha Apr 2017 #92

Planned Parenthood will do more for the people of this country in one day stevenleser Apr 2017 #96

Exactly, Steven! Thank you! Cha Apr 2017 #108

I think the term had meaning to lots of people. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #97

It's as meaningless as the "cool kids" in high school trying to start a fashion trend stevenleser Apr 2017 #99

39 percent and rising isn't meaningless. progressoid Apr 2017 #125

Using a logical fallacy like argumentum ad populum doesn't help you. stevenleser Apr 2017 #127

It's just statistics. progressoid Apr 2017 #145

And the fact many of them left the Republican party doesn't jump... moriah Apr 2017 #152

No one is saying we should pander to ALL the indy voters progressoid Apr 2017 #158

Thus I feel it's best to focus on progressive issues... moriah Apr 2017 #173

So, you're using a pejorative to argue against the use of what you consider a pejorative. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #130

Nope, not a pejorative, an analogy or a metaphor. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #131

K&R mvd Apr 2017 #91

So sheshe2 Apr 2017 #94

Haha! LOL @ "Wah.. no matter how much they try to bully him".. ROFL Cha Apr 2017 #101

Thank you Cha. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #103

Exactly, she! "Establishement equals Good Company! Cha Apr 2017 #104

Bernie's not hard to grasp. He's been playing the same tune since 1994. ucrdem Apr 2017 #111

Thank you for this, Babylonsister! markpkessinger Apr 2017 #114

He's lost all credibility when it comes to a "progressive agenda". JTFrog Apr 2017 #119

+1 Your last sentence says it all. grossproffit Apr 2017 #121

Yes. betsuni Apr 2017 #123

Exactly. There's new blood, and I'm hoping that if BS doesn't give up the spotlight willingly..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #124

He really needs to go away. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #128

+1000, Thank you R B Garr Apr 2017 #141

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #142

I will support a politician to the extent he or she champions good policies ... Martin Eden Apr 2017 #126

That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard! Even from Bernie. beastie boy Apr 2017 #132

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #143

The Party establishment The Wizard Apr 2017 #133

lol, skimming the headline, I read this as, "The UNICORNS continuing, stubborn refusal....." R B Garr Apr 2017 #138

Wish it was unicorns LakeArenal Apr 2017 #144

But why restrict this discussion to Sanders . . ? FairWinds Apr 2017 #153

Are you talking about progressive candidates running against Republicans in national elections? beastie boy Apr 2017 #159

I'd rather just get out there and organize . . FairWinds Apr 2017 #166

I sincerely applaud your activism, even if I may or may not disagree with your positions beastie boy Apr 2017 #172

Most you refer to DO grasp Bernie. Thus, is the reason they don't like him. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2017 #156

Everyone understands Sanders ego: and that he help Trump into power lewebley3 Apr 2017 #170

Democratic Party damn well needs to be insulted again and again pecosbob Apr 2017 #177

The 2 presidential wins only cost us the Senate, House, and states. MadDAsHell Apr 2017 #179

i'd like to know why the heck the DNC allowed Sanders to run as a Democrat onetexan Apr 2017 #181

Thanks for this, babylonsister! countryjake Apr 2017 #182

Or, gasp, you're just wrong about that and we do grasp sanders. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #184