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MADem

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86. Canadians, Americans, and those of other nationalities all engage in medical tourism.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:09 PM
Jul 2012

Brazil is into it in a big way for cosmetic surgery; India is into it for all sorts of stuff, from joint replacement to heart procedures.

What I am saying is there isn't a thing wrong with cross-border stuff. Even CANADA is starting to look for medical tourism revenue, which has potential to provide a substantial cash influx to nations that do it well (see: http://www.findprivateclinics.ca/resources/general/medical-tourism.php ) -- you can't blame any of these countries for trying to swipe customers from USA and elsewhere!

The more medical care available, the better. The more competition, the more motivated providers will be to maximize efficiencies and make the damn care affordable and reasonable in-country.

USA has taken on the VERY wealthy medical tourists down the years, the money-is-no-object crowd, but other countries have been getting into the act and appealing to "average people" for some time already:

Factors that have led to the increasing popularity of medical travel include the high cost of health care, long wait times for certain procedures, the ease and affordability of international travel, and improvements in both technology and standards of care in many countries.[7] The avoidance of waiting times is the leading factor for medical tourism from the UK, whereas in the US, the main reason is cheaper prices abroad. In 2009, there were 60,000 patients going for treatment abroad in the UK[8].

Many surgery procedures performed in medical tourism destinations cost a fraction of the price they do in the First World. For example a liver transplant that cost $300,000 USD in America cost about $91,000 USD in Taiwan.[9] A large draw to medical travel is convenience and speed. Countries that operate public health-care systems are often so taxed that it can take considerable time to get non-urgent medical care. Using Canada as an example, an estimated 782,936 Canadians spent time on medical waiting lists in 2005, waiting an average of 9.4 weeks.[10] Canada has set waiting-time benchmarks, e. g. 26 weeks for a hip replacement and 16 weeks for cataract surgery, for non-urgent medical procedures.[11]

Medical tourists come from a variety of locations including Europe, the Middle East, Japan, the United States, and Canada. Factors that drive demand for medical services abroad in First World countries include: large populations, comparatively high wealth, the high expense of health care or lack of health care options locally, and increasingly high expectations of their populations with respect to health care.

In First World countries like the United States medical tourism has large growth prospects and potentially destabilizing implications. A forecast by Deloitte Consulting published in August 2008 projected that medical tourism originating in the US could jump by a factor of ten over the next decade. An estimated 750,000 Americans went abroad for health care in 2007, and the report estimated that a million and a half would seek health care outside the US in 2008. The growth in medical tourism has the potential to cost US health care providers billions of dollars in lost revenue.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism

Competition drives markets and creates incentives for providers to lower their prices. I do think that more people having access to health care in USA is a good thing, because it will force these institutions that are care providers to work harder at providing quality care at a fair price.
Good information, and ProSense Jul 2012 #1
They have not yet been inundated with right wing propaganda telling them sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #2
Yep. +1 nt whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #3
This is why we can't have nice things Scootaloo Jul 2012 #84
Today my doctor and his friends did joke about America's health care riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #4
But, Politicalboi Jul 2012 #6
yes I have friends in the USA and they say the same thing. riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #7
LOL! Politicalboi Jul 2012 #9
No one minds Canadians coming to USA for hip replacements. MADem Jul 2012 #37
Lots of times laundry_queen Jul 2012 #44
Canadians, Americans, and those of other nationalities all engage in medical tourism. MADem Jul 2012 #86
Thanks for this!! I would move to Canada if I was younger. Being 50 hurts my chances. Logical Jul 2012 #19
Israelis have no interest in our system either Enrique Jul 2012 #5
Wow! Politicalboi Jul 2012 #8
OMG!?!? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #26
Our system of health care has been available to Canadians all along JohnnyRingo Jul 2012 #10
I've only read one thing about Canadian healthcare that I wouldn't like SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #11
That's the British system Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #31
It's in Canada as well SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #36
LMFAO laundry_queen Jul 2012 #69
Of course that woman's story was debunked SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #72
Not really. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #79
Private care is common in UK, too. The rich like it. MADem Jul 2012 #40
Don't scare me like that TrogL Jul 2012 #12
:-) Logical Jul 2012 #20
LOL laundry_queen Jul 2012 #45
K&R and beac Jul 2012 #13
+1000 Logical Jul 2012 #21
Complete list of countries that overturned their national health plan after passing one... Scuba Jul 2012 #14
LOL, you scared me for a second there! Logical Jul 2012 #22
The RW talking point I hear on Yahoo Answers is that more Canadiens Jamaal510 Jul 2012 #15
I think that is a fact of single payer systems...you have to wait longer, both in line & for Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #17
If you have good insurance or are rich, you can jump the line in the U.S. Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #32
Bullshit you don't have to wait for a knee replacement if you have insurance in this country. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #35
No need to be ugly. I was speaking from experience and reading on the subject. There are stats. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #47
Stop posting deliberately misleading information. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #62
Stat: Avg wait time in U.S. for Ortho. Surgeon appt is 17 days. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #49
That's to see an orthopaedic for an office visit or consultation. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #57
Chill. What I didn't post was the comparison to Canada: Canada's avg wait time was 45 days for Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #58
Wow. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #67
Just a point most ortho's and other surgeons are in private practice.... Historic NY Jul 2012 #73
waits are prioritized riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #39
Sounds great. Wish we had that. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #50
I've never had knee surgery SouthernLiberal Jul 2012 #42
By contrast, I was examined & tested for RA. I got in immediately. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #53
I would take the wait for free and universal healthcare. Logical Jul 2012 #23
First off, it's not free SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #27
Well, I will choose universal health care with a wait vs. the stupid USA method. And I have great... Logical Jul 2012 #28
I'm all for universal single payer SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #29
you have two lies in your post Doctor_J Jul 2012 #33
What is it with some at DU that they assume that anyone they don't agree with is a freeper? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #38
Can I just say re: wait times laundry_queen Jul 2012 #48
Yes, I understand that a national average is difficult due to the setup of the system SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #52
ugh, I KNOW it wasn't anecdotal! laundry_queen Jul 2012 #63
No worries about me moving to Canada SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #65
Holy freeper talking point batman laundry_queen Jul 2012 #66
No, I haven't used your services SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #68
They are old. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #71
+1001! nt. polly7 Jul 2012 #75
Old? They're from March 22, 2012 SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #76
That's a BS talking point laundry_queen Jul 2012 #81
So say you - I disagree SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #83
You obviously don't know any Canadians laundry_queen Jul 2012 #87
They're getting very picky about immigration--if you're not rich, they don't want you. MADem Jul 2012 #89
+1000 nt. polly7 Jul 2012 #74
They don't get the wait stats from patients. It's reported by care provider admins... Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #55
I know that. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #59
Yes, I think that I should be able to buy insurance SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #61
LOL funny you brought up the private/public school argument laundry_queen Jul 2012 #64
Nope, not a Canadian SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #70
You don't see it because you don't want to laundry_queen Jul 2012 #78
Exactly polly7 Jul 2012 #80
I can tell you why we put our kids in private school SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #82
And I disagree with your basic premise. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #85
Lots of mind reading (and bad mind reading to boot) in your response SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #93
In some provinces, patients cannot buy insurance for anything covered under single payer n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #60
Private insurance is purchased to supplement the provincial plan insurance, polly7 Jul 2012 #77
when you show up during election season and spout hate radio lies, Doctor_J Jul 2012 #94
What did I lie about? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #95
I think you CAN still buy private ins. in both Canada and England. But... Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #34
My federal and provincial taxes combined in 2011 were 25 percent riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #41
Wow, that's great. Thx. Yes, I saw your other post. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #56
The main reason Canadians come to the U.S. ThoughtCriminal Jul 2012 #88
Brazil is the place to go--it's summer in winter down there and they MADem Jul 2012 #90
Medical tourism - the big secret America's health care industry doesn't want to talk about... Zalatix Jul 2012 #96
So 50% of Canadians grade their ins. A or B, while over 60% of Americans grade theirs A or B? Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #16
It doesn't surprise me SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #18
No, not what it sez... 22% of Americans give a grade of A or B Agony Jul 2012 #24
Where do you see that?? From the study link.... Logical Jul 2012 #25
I was gonna say that the headline does not match the content of the post... and-justice-for-all Jul 2012 #30
there certainly is alot littlewolf Jul 2012 #43
We have one right here on DU.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #46
Well, our Sid seems to like it. Autumn Jul 2012 #51
Canadians wouldn't accept mandatory for-profit insurance from their hard Right. Fact. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #54
Well, you've got to pay for the biggest military in the world somehow. Gregorian Jul 2012 #91
DAMMIT!!! You almost stopped my heart with that title. Zalatix Jul 2012 #92
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