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In reply to the discussion: Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy! [View all]Zalatix
(8,994 posts)283. I'm not selling the abolishment of the whole ACA. Just the individual mandate.
And I am not sure I know of any communist or socialist society that mandates that you purchase a private company's health insurance... much less purchase any other private company's product... just for being alive.
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Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy! [View all]
Zalatix
Jun 2012
OP
I sure hope so. But I doubt it. I most certainly will die of old age before it happens.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#3
Not only that, millions would be uninsured and health insurance would be more expensive
Major Nikon
Jun 2012
#275
This is better than not having it.You will not die with lack of coverage even if you have a preexist
The Wielding Truth
Jun 2012
#138
Instead you will die because the crappy bronze coverage (all that you can afford)
eridani
Jun 2012
#223
That was the intention of the bill, according to Washington Monthly in 06-07
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#154
Remember when people here said they would not forget how our leaders folded on health care reform?
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#192
Well we did shift the costs of care off of the government and high income earners..
girl gone mad
Jun 2012
#210
I understand why people are pessimistic, but the people who are more optimistic,
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#48
Whatever happened to the Liberals who rolled up their sleeves, and said, "OK, let's get to work now!"
Ikonoklast
Jun 2012
#169
Until then, middle class workers with pre-existing conditions will pay thousands extra per month
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#9
Those with pre-existing conditions cannot be charged extra. Where do your information?
progree
Jun 2012
#30
They get charged extra when the insurance companies jack the rates for everyone
eridani
Jun 2012
#267
What is MLR and where do you get your figure that MLR was 95% in the 90s? and what is it now?
progree
Jul 2012
#325
Wrong. Premiums will only rise with age and income, not with preexisting conditions.
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#55
I've heard that health insurance can only be a certain % of income now.
raouldukelives
Jun 2012
#110
"It only affects THOSE people who don't have insurance. It doesn't affect MOST of us"
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#150
And if you don't like the coverage, you opt out, pay your tax and you're covered
Fawke Em
Jun 2012
#116
I can tell you one thing... the jumping and cheering for "individual responsibility" for health care
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#248
You forgot to mention "they will just pay the EXTRA TAX" on top of what they pay now.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#107
Its not a choice, its an immoral, mercantilist fine on the working poor which gov't is calling a tax
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#159
They opposed it because it effectively introduces the federal government as a competitor
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#10
No they aren't. They can pay the tax (and yes I can now call it a tax), which doesn't go to...
phleshdef
Jun 2012
#6
"Now that it is a tax" -- nothing has changed, it is a penalty levied on the working poor
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#189
They did all that because they are radical Ayn Rand corporate fascists, and HCR is mercantilist.
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#126
People that don't want to buy health insurance. Reading comprehension is your friend.
phleshdef
Jun 2012
#119
People keep referring to this "they" as if to suggest they aren't here on DU, including me and Matt
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#151
I'm pretty sure the working poor, at least for the most part, qualify to be exempt from the mandate.
phleshdef
Jun 2012
#170
you are not exempt if you make more than $9000 a year $19000 for a family (roughly)
Dragonfli
Jun 2012
#179
Dragonfli, you are another person on DU at present who is currently uninsured
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#243
I can offer you the perspective of one surrounded by people that just can't afford it.
Dragonfli
Jun 2012
#259
I don't understand why it's only 15 million people because 133% poverty is closer to 50 million.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#249
Thank you, you have explained what many people don't seem to want to acknowledge.
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#278
There is a divide on this issue between those directly affected and those who will merely see their
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#200
You got it reverse, you're saying, if it hurts low income uninsured, but helps middle class
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#217
Note that today's decision allows states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion...
PoliticAverse
Jun 2012
#50
Actually capping operating expenses and profits to 15% - 20% (excluding the hundreds of exemptions
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#164
Scalia, Alito and Thomas won Kennedy over to your side. They thought they had the mandate defeated,
pampango
Jun 2012
#18
Roberts was paid off by the Insurance Industry, he was always a Business Hack
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#23
Even "Single payer" would be run and managed by the insurance companies.....so I'm not sure I get
cbdo2007
Jun 2012
#25
I work for a health insurance company and a lot of our business is Medicare and Medicaid....
cbdo2007
Jun 2012
#250
If there were no constitutional provision against a poll tax we'd be having arguments about it on DU
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#153
Sorry, but Leftists aren't extremists... unless you define accepting reality as extreme.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#165
When did it become Leftist, much less Right wing, to oppose Stamp-Act style mercantilism
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#168
"Left and right are relative terms", but one is based on reality and one is not.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#182
I'm not selling the abolishment of the whole ACA. Just the individual mandate.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#283
My 16 year old Niece, cancer surviver, no longer has a "pre-existing condition" keeping her
JoePhilly
Jun 2012
#45
This could have been done while putting the insurance companies on a much tighter leash
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#290
Obama was able to take the Progressives to the woodshed to get them to support the bill
Lydia Leftcoast
Jun 2012
#299
I'll spot you all of the blue dogs, all you as President have to do is flip Lieberman.
JoePhilly
Jul 2012
#324
If the Dems take the Senate, they should get rid of the fake filibuster
Lydia Leftcoast
Jul 2012
#341
you can avoid making insurance corporations richer by simply paying your taxes.
unblock
Jun 2012
#47
This post shows that you do not know what provisions for small employers are in the ACA.
Ikonoklast
Jun 2012
#254
In 2016 and thereafter the penalty is $695 or 2.5% of income, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, nt
progree
Jul 2012
#330
I have already benefitted from the ACA... no co-pay on GYN tests that found a condition
Windy
Jun 2012
#79
The fact that Scalia is having a meltdown and that insurance cos spent MILLIONS
emulatorloo
Jun 2012
#112
40 million uninsured people, will be covered. Those with pre-existing conditions will be covered
still_one
Jun 2012
#102
and those companies are regulated like a utility, limited rate of profit and new regulated business
CreekDog
Jun 2012
#129
If we're FORCED to buy, they should be NOT-FOR-PROFIT. Capitalism is based on consumer choice. nt
Romulox
Jun 2012
#130
Citizen's United means corps. can spend UNLIMITED money to get politicians to make us by things.
Romulox
Jun 2012
#131
Looks like the vast majority of people still on DU support mandatory private health care
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#166
they consider it a win for the D's even though it was hatched by the R's ..a political compromise
xiamiam
Jun 2012
#177
I'm positive I'll have to move to another country either way if I want Single Payer.
HughBeaumont
Jun 2012
#167
that makes sense to me, but, stock went down on insurance. insurance fought it.
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#202
this is the very beginning of universal healthcare. it will change and go through many phases.
spanone
Jun 2012
#203
If you want to be intellectually honest, make your argument with figures and data.
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#205
You can thank Bush for the regressive Health Savings Account and don't have to pay a dime.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#213
Single payer wasn't going to be enacted if the ACA was ruled unconstitutional
mythology
Jun 2012
#215
And now I don't have to pay for some visiting the ER for a runny nose.
liberal N proud
Jun 2012
#226
Actually, you are wrong... VT has already passed a single-payer health care initiative.
glowing
Jun 2012
#240
They already want to do this, it's called Social Security privatization
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#264
You mean... the OP, or the Insurance industry briarpatching the American public?
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#263
So you're calling out a DUer as a malicious intruder, for opposing Romneycare?
Leopolds Ghost
Jul 2012
#333
Yes there is no stopping them from raising premiums as high as they want, which is the fatal flaw.
alarimer
Jun 2012
#266
Excuse me, but I never said I oppose ALL OF THE ACA, so please re-read what I said.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#274
Fuck single payer - I support a full British/Scandanavian style National Health Service socialized
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2012
#273
A mass exit off of this gravy train??? not likely even with provisions in bill
lunasun
Jun 2012
#310
No, when they resume hiking rates by the max of what, 10% every year? This'll be what they do
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#314